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Re: Do Homeowers Associations have Consent of the Governed?
Reply #50 - May 4th, 2019 at 8:09pm
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Jeff wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 4:51pm:
Sacky's proposed Amendment XXVIII:

Taxation, being theft, will no longer be permitted in the U.S. and it's Territories or Possessions.

The right to be free of any and all taxation shall not be infringed. Every person within the jurisdiction of the U.S. will have their right to be free of taxation strictly enforced.

This is brilliant.   Sacky wrote that?

Sacky, you're #1 in my book.   Smiley
  
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Re: Do Homeowers Associations have Consent of the Governed?
Reply #51 - May 5th, 2019 at 6:55am
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SkyChief wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 8:09pm:
This is brilliant.   Sacky wrote that?

No Chief, I did. You'd better lay of the beer!

What the Sack needs to do now is try to round up enough people who consent to that sort of change in our Constitution so that the proposed amendment can be consented to by the people.
  

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Re: Do Homeowers Associations have Consent of the Governed?
Reply #52 - May 5th, 2019 at 10:33am
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Little Biq Man wrote on May 4th, 2019 at 9:56am:
Jeff is the welfare queen; that's why he loves non-consensual government so much.


Maybe, but he seems like a former business owner type to me. Beneath the facade anyway.

And he's smart. He understands what free school is.

You give one kid free school, and that kid gains an advantage. You give them all free school and no one is advantaged (the business hires whoever it would have anyway) and the taxpayer just trained their applicant for them.

All in the name of everyone having a better than average job.

If it's really unacceptable that rich parents can buy their children an advantage on the job market, then just don't let them.

It's not about that, though. It's about a direct wealth transfer from the working class to the business owners. Libertarians love those sorts of wealth transfers, and they'll always have unassailable arguments as to why the wealth transfers they like don't violate any core principles.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Do Homeowers Associations have Consent of the Governed?
Reply #53 - May 5th, 2019 at 10:44am
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The Opposition wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 10:33am:
Maybe, but he seems like a former business owner type to me. Beneath the facade anyway.

And he's smart. He understands what free school is.

You give one kid free school, and that kid gains an advantage. You give them all free school and no one is advantaged (the business hires whoever it would have anyway) and the taxpayer just trained their applicant for them.

All in the name of everyone having a better than average job.

If it's really unacceptable that rich parents can buy their children an advantage on the job market, then just don't let them.

It's not about that, though. It's about a direct wealth transfer from the working class to the business owners. Libertarians love those sorts of wealth transfers, and they'll always have unassailable arguments as to why the wealth transfers they like don't violate any core principles.
The only "free" schooling I support is local schools controlled by parents and funded by local taxes, and I don't support any "free" schooling beyond a basic education. If you want to go to college, you should pay for it.

I don't think there's any possibility of changing state constitutions to eliminate state supported colleges (or state support for local schools), but the federal government, which has no grant of authority to meddle in education in any way, should get out of it completely.
  

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Reply #54 - May 6th, 2019 at 9:41am
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Jeff, were the representatives who consented to the U.S. Constitution empowered to do that through fair and open elections?
  

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Re: Do Homeowers Associations have Consent of the Governed?
Reply #55 - May 7th, 2019 at 7:48am
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Little Big Man wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 9:41am:
Jeff, were the representatives who consented to the U.S. Constitution empowered to do that through fair and open elections?
Obviously you think not, which makes the Constitution and the government it created illegitimate...

Are you finding lots of support for amending the Constitution to eliminate taxation?

It sounds like you've gone even further down the anarchist rabbit hole and are now trying to drum up support for declaring the entire Constitution invalid and abolishing government entirely.
  

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Re: Do Homeowers Associations have Consent of the Governed?
Reply #56 - May 7th, 2019 at 8:31am
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It’s just a yes or no,,,  Jeff.


You made the assertion that consent is not individual, but is given by representatives selected in fair and open elections.  Your words.

I’m just asking if you believe that’s what happened when the US government was formed or if you believe that it has no consent.
  

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Reply #57 - May 7th, 2019 at 8:39am
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Little Big Man wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 8:31am:
It’s just a yes or no,,,  Jeff.


You made the assertion that consent is not individual, but is given by representatives selected in fair and open elections.  Your words.

I’m just asking if you believe that’s what happened when the US government was formed or if you believe that it has no consent.
The people in the new United States believed that they had consented to have the people they choose to send to the ratifying conventions represent their interests.

You think not. Who cares?
  

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Re: Do Homeowers Associations have Consent of the Governed?
Reply #58 - May 7th, 2019 at 8:42am
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Jeff wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 8:39am:
The people white male landowners in the new United States believed that they had consented to have the people they choose to send to the ratifying conventions represent their interests.

You think not. Who cares?


Fixed that for you.
  

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Reply #59 - May 7th, 2019 at 9:06am
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Little Big Man wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 8:42am:
Fixed that for you.
Well, at the same time in history, how were POC/women doing along the lines of creating representative governments that protected rights? In fact, has such a thing ever happened since that time? Or before?
  

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