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Losing a friend to Communism
May 6th, 2019 at 6:17pm
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A few months ago my best friend moved in with my family and I, he just moved after living in California for the last few years.  When we were younger he was a Libertarian, before we even knew there was such a thing.  Now he is an avowed communist, but he pronounces it like community-ist, like it makes it more palatable or something. His entire demeanor when discussing politics or religion has changed, a complete 180. 

I knew he had some socialist leaning ideas, but hey most reasonable people can see the good/bad in all political spectrum's. For me the big tip off that he had jumped headlong off the red cliff was when I brought up the topic of civil forfeiture and how it has been disgustingly abused in recent years.  I assumed he would agree and possibly have some good insight having just moved from the greater L.A. area.

Oh hell no, he was firmly on the side of police overreach.  I was speechless, how did a guy who was once very much "stay the hell out of my business  Mr. Police man" to "Do whatever you want to Officer".  They more I talk to him, the more I realize he is lost down the rabbit hole and I have no clue how to talk any rationality back into him. 

Like most communists, he thinks "it just hasn't been done right yet" (we can just pretend that Khmer Rouge never occurred and that Venezuela is just a happy land of rainbows and unicorn farts).  I mean he is about as radical as I can is possible, all the way down to being ok with killing huge numbers of people as long as it is in the interest of the greater good.

I am at my wits end trying to get through to him. I am seriously wondering if he has a brain tumor or something. Anyone have any good resources that I can use that may help to ease him back into rationality?
  
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Re: Losing a friend to Communism
Reply #1 - May 6th, 2019 at 6:46pm
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EWS wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 6:17pm:
I am at my wits end trying to get through to him. I am seriously wondering if he has a brain tumor or something. Anyone have any good resources that I can use that may help to ease him back into rationality?

I'm sorry for your loss.     Accept that he probably cannot be rehabilitated.

On very rare occasions, a communist will see the light and come to appreciate the blessings of liberty.  This is extremely rare.   If he was indoctrinated in California, he will likely remain communist for the rest of his life.

I too, have a friend who is a full-blown communist.  Long story short,  we talk about lots of things, but we NEVER discuss politics, because whenever we did in the past, it always ended in a bitter argument.

I strongly recommend you try that approach.
  
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Reply #2 - May 6th, 2019 at 6:55pm
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I have been trying this. But even the most innocent of conversations he turns into "evil capitalism this and evil capitalism that". The other day we were driving to another friends house and I said something about it being annoying that I have to detour for all the road work downtown.  He was snappy with a response of how it was some capitalist mafia thing, or some B.S. to that effect.
  
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Reply #3 - May 7th, 2019 at 9:21am
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How old is he?  Under 25 and there's still a chance to change his mind. 

Don't be a dick, hang and get high or drink beer as usually and use the Socratic Method.  Just ask questions like you're trying to understand but with the intent to let him figure out where communism goes.
  
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Reply #4 - May 7th, 2019 at 12:56pm
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ahhell wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 9:21am:
How old is he?  Under 25 and there's still a chance to change his mind.  


He is 37. Old enough to know better.

ahhell wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 9:21am:
Don't be a dick, hang and get high or drink beer as usually and use the Socratic Method.  Just ask questions like you're trying to understand but with the intent to let him figure out where communism goes. 

I think part of the problem is that he is a habitual pot user.  I personally don't use, not since high school 20 years ago.  I am not against recreational use, but I have found that habitual users tend to have very radical ideas about things. Ideas that most people will think are crazy.
  
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Reply #5 - May 7th, 2019 at 2:08pm
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EWS wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 12:56pm:
He is 37. Old enough to know better.
Old enough that he's made up his mind anyway.  Too old to change it.  How long ago did you part ways prior to the recent reacquaintence?
  
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Reply #6 - May 7th, 2019 at 5:17pm
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ahhell wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 2:08pm:
Old enough that he's made up his mind anyway.  Too old to change it.  How long ago did you part ways prior to the recent reacquaintence?


We have been friends for about 20 years. throughout that friendship, when we lived in different areas, we spoke 2-3 times a month minimum.  Maybe I should have seen this coming, but sometimes a face to face conversation reveals a lot more about a person than one over the phone.
  
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Reply #7 - May 8th, 2019 at 7:12am
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EWS wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 6:17pm:
Anyone have any good resources that I can use that may help to ease him back into rationality?
I'd recommend to him that he get together with some of his like minded friends and live communally for a while.
  
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Reply #8 - May 8th, 2019 at 8:58am
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Jeff wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:12am:
I'd recommend to him that he get together with some of his like minded friends and live communally for a while.

I like that idea.
  
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Reply #9 - May 8th, 2019 at 10:18am
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Jeff wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:12am:
I'd recommend to him that he get together with some of his like minded friends and live communally for a while.

My thought is for all the people that love communism so damn much, ship them off to Venezuela, China, Russia or toss their ass in a time machine and send them back to Cambodia circa 1976. Let them spend a few months there and see how they feel about it then
  
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