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The US March to War
May 13th, 2019 at 8:10am
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The US public and mainstream media seem perfectly content to ignore the neocon march to war.
www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2019/may/10/the-war-tweets/
  
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Reply #1 - May 13th, 2019 at 8:55am
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Tom Palven wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 8:10am:
The US public and mainstream media seem perfectly content to ignore the neocon march to war.
www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2019/may/10/the-war-tweets/


It's just eating you little neocons up you can't get Trump to invade Venezuela.  You're sure putting in the effort, but it's not in the US's interest to get involved in that.

You're going to need to peddle your neocon ideology somewhere else.  Russia?  China?  Iran?  They are interested
  

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Reply #2 - May 13th, 2019 at 8:01pm
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It's probably no coincidence that Iran and Venezuela are major oil producers, and this most likely is why Trump has interests to inflict hardship (sanctions) on these two countries.  Iran is the #2 largest OPEC exporter (1.5 million bbl/day)  Venezuela exports 2.4 million bbl/day.

IOW, if either country had no oil, the US wouldn't bother intervening.

Just my opinion.
  
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Reply #3 - May 13th, 2019 at 8:49pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 8:01pm:
It's probably no coincidence that Iran and Venezuela are major oil producers
They have a lot of oil in Venezuela, but state control of oil production (and most other things) turned Venezuela into a poverty stricken disaster area.

Russia and China claim their policies of state control are better.

Edit: Cuba is swell, some movie stars even say they want to live there... Cheesy
  
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Reply #4 - May 16th, 2019 at 9:47am
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SkyChief wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 8:01pm:
It's probably no coincidence that Iran and Venezuela are major oil producers, and this most likely is why Trump has interests to inflict hardship (sanctions) on these two countries.  Iran is the #2 largest OPEC exporter (1.5 million bbl/day)  Venezuela exports 2.4 million bbl/day.

IOW, if either country had no oil, the US wouldn't bother intervening.

Just my opinion.


How does that make any sense?  Oil is a commodity.  The price is global supply versus global demand.  What difference does it make whether we get their specific oil or not?  Particularly Iran, we don't buy much of their oil when they are online.  It goes to Europe or Asia because of transportation costs.

It's like saying that someone is invading Winn Dixie to be able to secure the ability to buy their cans of baked beans.  Why would you do that when the price at Publix is basically the same?
  

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Reply #5 - May 16th, 2019 at 10:25am
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kaz wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 9:47am:
How does that make any sense?  Oil is a commodity.  The price is global supply versus global demand.  What difference does it make whether we get their specific oil or not?  Particularly Iran, we don't buy much of their oil when they are online.  It goes to Europe or Asia because of transportation costs.

It's like saying that someone is invading Winn Dixie to be able to secure the ability to buy their cans of baked beans.  Why would you do that when the price at Publix is basically the same?
I think the idea of the authoritarians/collectivists is to control enough of the world's oil to starve the U.S. of energy. That plus they fear that the U.S. will control the worlds oil and starve them of energy.

Oil is a commodity that is essential to healthy economies in today's world (and healthy economies are essential to creating the wealth that allows huge militarys to exist)  and geopolitics is still stuck in the tribal mode.

Perhaps if the Communists would retract their long time promise to destroy the U.S. and it's evil capitalist system, things would lighten up a bit. Smiley
  
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Reply #6 - May 16th, 2019 at 11:39am
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kaz wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 9:47am:
How does that make any sense?  Oil is a commodity.  The price is global supply versus global demand.  What difference does it make whether we get their specific oil or not?  Particularly Iran, we don't buy much of their oil when they are online.  It goes to Europe or Asia because of transportation costs.

Venezuela's and Iran's dictators derive their military & political power from OIL.   The US wants to police these countries and install new dictators.
  
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Reply #7 - May 16th, 2019 at 12:07pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 11:39am:
Venezuela's and Iran's dictators derive their military & political power from OIL.   The US wants to police these countries and install new dictators. 


OK, fair enough.  You did say Trump wants to inflict hardship, not that he wants the actual oil
  

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Reply #8 - May 16th, 2019 at 1:16pm
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kaz wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 12:07pm:
OK, fair enough.  You did say Trump wants to inflict hardship, not that he wants the actual oil

Yes - Trump's plan for a new Venezuelan dictator is done in 4 easy steps;

1) Impose Sanctions to weaken Venezuelan economy to create unbearable hardships on the citizens.

2) Send in Humanitarian aid to make it appear that the US is HELPING and not hurting Venezuelans.

3) Make sure the leader refuses to accept the Humanitarian aid - Trump becomes a hero, Maduro a villain.

4) Declare that the only way to install a new dictator is through Military Intervention.

Steps 1, 2, and 3 are complete.

A few days ago, opposition leader Juan Guaidó asked US military for ‘strategic planning’ help.

translation:  Plz send American troops to overthrow Maduro.   We tried, but failed because we're too weak from malnutrition.  Thanks.
  
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Reply #9 - May 16th, 2019 at 2:29pm
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SkyChief wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 1:16pm:
Yes - Trump's plan for a new Venezuelan dictator is done in 4 easy steps;

1) Impose Sanctions to weaken Venezuelan economy to create unbearable hardships on the citizens.

2) Send in Humanitarian aid to make it appear that the US is HELPING and not hurting Venezuelans.

3) Make sure the leader refuses to accept the Humanitarian aid - Trump becomes a hero, Maduro a villain.

4) Declare that the only way to install a new dictator is through Military Intervention.

Steps 1, 2, and 3 are complete.

A few days ago, opposition leader Juan Guaidó asked US military for ‘strategic planning’ help.

translation:  Plz send American troops to overthrow Maduro.   We tried, but failed because we're too weak from malnutrition.  Thanks.


But is that really such a bad thing? I mean I dont really want US intervention in other countries matters. But I also want to squash socialism/communism.  So I am left with the question; Do the means justify the ends?

I think that is a question we are faced with far to often these days.  I have no misgivings that we do anything for moral reasons anymore, there is always something that someone gains behind the curtain.  The whole "I'm going to help, but only because I will benefit" attitude is disgusting to me.  I believe that the people in Venezuela need help, but not if it means the US having a finger in their pot.
  
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