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Reply #90 - Jun 6th, 2019 at 7:39am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 5th, 2019 at 10:11pm:
If no one has any rights, everyone can always self-defend.

Only if some people have rights and some do not can there be a situation where somebody is deprived of that.

Everyone has a natural right to self-defense, and yes, that right can be denied or abridged or infringed upon, but it can't be eliminated. It's the nature of natural rights that they exist. Whether individuals are allowed to exercise them or not doesn't change that.

People in China have a right to freedom of conscience and association. Just because the Communist government denies them the exercise of that right doesn't make the right go away.

You need to find a way to differentiate in your mind between rights and privileges. Probably you can do that. Try to put that understanding to work and realize that an immoral government can deny people the exercise of their rights and that the notion of a government granting rights is nonsense. It's upside down reasoning to say that a governments grants people the privilege of exercising their rights...
  

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Reply #91 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 8:13am
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Reply #92 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 8:23am
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SkyChief wrote on Jun 5th, 2019 at 10:32pm:
Wealth and property should never be equally distributed


No, they shouldn't.  They shouldn't be distributed at all, just earned
  

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Reply #93 - Jun 16th, 2019 at 11:37am
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Reverend Al Sharpton has a very unusual (and dangerous) perspective on rights:

“People do not have the right to unregulated rights in this country.”

Fortunately, not many people take this man seriously.
  
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Reply #94 - Jun 16th, 2019 at 1:01pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 8:13am:


Why? Why would you disagree with an article like that?

You probably think getting me to kill myself is saving a bunch of people, which is why you suggested it over and over until I agreed.

How could you possibly disagree with someone else who justifies their actions based on risk?
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #95 - Jun 16th, 2019 at 2:12pm
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 16th, 2019 at 1:01pm:
Why? Why would you disagree with an article like that?

You probably think getting me to kill myself is saving a bunch of people, which is why you suggested it over and over until I agreed.

How could you possibly disagree with someone else who justifies their actions based on risk?
I'm not sure what you're talking about...
  

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Reply #96 - Aug 1st, 2019 at 7:17am
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Reply #97 - Aug 4th, 2019 at 9:34am
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Reply #98 - Aug 13th, 2019 at 10:52am
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Jeff wrote on May 31st, 2019 at 9:55am:
Oops! I spoke too soon.

Public school is not necessary, it's just a very good idea when done correctly and most people still want it. Smiley


Public schools are nothing but leftist SJW indoctrination centers and the schools that are right-wing spread lies like creationism and intelligent design. Why should people be forced to undergo mandatory indoctrination in schools? This is the very definition of violating freedom of speech and enforcing totalitarianism.
  
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Reply #99 - Aug 13th, 2019 at 2:05pm
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N567 wrote on Aug 13th, 2019 at 10:52am:
Public schools are nothing but leftist SJW indoctrination centers and the schools that are right-wing spread lies like creationism and intelligent design. Why should people be forced to undergo mandatory indoctrination in schools? This is the very definition of violating freedom of speech and enforcing totalitarianism.
Only children are required to go to school, and exceptions are made, but the real question is, why have our public schools become "left-wing" indoctrination centers that don't really do a good job of educating our children and cost way to much to operate?

I keep mentioning the reason, but I guess you haven't seen it.

"Right-wing schools"? From what you say they teach, I'd say you mean schools operated by Christians. Not all Christians are "right-wing". Not all people who send their children to schools operated by Christians are Christians.
  

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