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Re: Would the Statists on Here have Made Good Nazis?
Reply #20 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 9:46am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 9:24am:
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"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

Notice race isn't mentioned.

Since you love commenting on American criminal justice so much, maybe you should learn something about it so you can have more intelligent conversations about it



I really don't give a flying rat crap about the American justice system except as it relates to libertarianism. I knew that was in there but I simply don't care. Though as an aside, if it wasn't in there, I don't think you could force people into community service, which is the only way to stop the very rich from driving recklessly. The fines are nothing to them


My God, you're stupid and have horrible reading skills.  Just to point out, you keep claiming you want to have deeper conversations, but you endlessly work on the same third grade reading level that Jeff, burnsred and Tom Palveen do
  

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Re: Would the Statists on Here have Made Good Nazis?
Reply #21 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 9:50am
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What are you saying I didn't comprehend? The part about it being fine if it's for a crime?

The bit I commented on?
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Would the Statists on Here have Made Good Nazis?
Reply #22 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 9:58am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 9:50am:
What are you saying I didn't comprehend? The part about it being fine if it's for a crime?

The bit I commented on?


If that's what you meant, then fine.  Your problem wasn't poor reading in that case, it was poor writing
  

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Re: Would the Statists on Here have Made Good Nazis?
Reply #23 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 11:52am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 9:24am:
Why? You're already making an assumption: That libertarians want rights for everyone. Why wouldn't I make the opposite assumption? Why shouldn't I conclude that libertarians want rights for themselves and not others?

There's a lot of evidence that libertarians believe in equal rights for everyone, and no evidence that would lead anyone to make the assumption you make, that libertarians want to be the only people with rights.

If you want to draw conclusions from your own unsupported absurd assumptions, you have a right to do that, but you are wrong in your assumption and your conclusion.
  

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Reply #24 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 8:58pm
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Jeff wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 11:52am:
There's a lot of evidence that libertarians believe in equal rights for everyone, and no evidence that would lead anyone to make the assumption you make, that libertarians want to be the only people with rights.

If you want to draw conclusions from your own unsupported absurd assumptions, you have a right to do that, but you are wrong in your assumption and your conclusion.


Evidence:

Jeff wrote on Feb 24th, 2018 at 7:49am:
You have no more rights than an animal, because your understanding of rights is at the level of a predatory animal.
  

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Reply #25 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 6:14am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 8:58pm:
Evidence:

Yawn.

I don't think human rights extend to animals. Sue me.

Edit: My cat catches and eats lizards... Should he be charged with murder?
  

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Re: Would the Statists on Here have Made Good Nazis?
Reply #26 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 10:26am
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Jeff wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 6:14am:
Yawn.

I don't think human rights extend to animals. Sue me.

Edit: My cat catches and eats lizards... Should he be charged with murder?


You said rights didn't extend to me, and I'm sitting here talking to you.

I'm not addressing your diversions until you address the issue.
  

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Re: Would the Statists on Here have Made Good Nazis?
Reply #27 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 10:40am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 10:26am:
You said rights didn't extend to me, and I'm sitting here talking to you.

I'm not addressing your diversions until you address the issue.
Would statists make good Nazis?

German Nazis were National Socialists, and their entire political economic system was controlled by the state, because they thought that best, so yes, Nazis make wonderful statists!

BTW, I think they murdered sociopaths, except for the one's already in charge! Grin

Once again, unless you are human, I don't think human rights are something you are born with...

Are you human?
  

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Re: Would the Statists on Here have Made Good Nazis?
Reply #28 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 10:45am
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Jeff: Opposition doesn't have rights, because reasons.

Nazis: Jews don't have rights, because reasons.

Little Biq Man doesn't see a relevant difference here, even though there clearly is one. It's perfectly fine to decide an individual has no rights, on an individual basis. Not cool with broad sweeping generalisations about a racial group that's not white people, though.

Jeff wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 10:40am:
Once again, unless you are human, I don't think human rights are something you are born with...


Another of your diversions. You don't believe this and you've proven it.

Jeff wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 3:02pm:
Actual aliens might or might not be human, but the determination won't be made (I hope) based on their appearance, but on how they treat other humans. Hopefully they will be human (no matter what they look like) and will recognize that most of us are human too, meaning they will respect our rights, and we will respect theirs.


The Opposition wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 3:45pm:
You are clearly using a nonstandard definition of human that entails respecting the rights of others.


Jeff wrote on Jul 10th, 2018 at 4:47pm:
That's the standard definition of human, someone who respects the rights of others.


Jeff wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 7:33am:
No, you have to convince me you actually believe that natural rights exist and that every human is born with them.
  

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Re: Would the Statists on Here have Made Good Nazis?
Reply #29 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 10:49am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 10:45am:
Jeff: Opposition doesn't have rights, because reasons.

Nazis: Jews don't have rights, because reasons.

Little Biq Man doesn't see a relevant difference here, even though there clearly is one. It's perfectly fine to decide an individual has no rights, on an individual basis. Not cool with broad sweeping generalisations about a racial group that's not white people, though.
Animals lizard, I'm talking about animals not being born with natural human rights, the reason being that animals aren't human...

Are you human?

And yes, it's fine to restrict the rights of murderers and rapists (and even of people who rape prepubescent children kaz...), but they have to be convicted in a fair trial.
  

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