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Would the Statists on Here have Made Good Nazis?
Jun 9th, 2019 at 11:28pm
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I mean the kleptocrats who believe in taxation (with representation).  Would they have thrived under the Nazi regime?  Or at least served it well?

I have so say, "yes."

Keep in mind that Hitler tried a putsch, a forcible revolution and it failed miserably.  Then he tried the elected representative route to power and he was a smashing success.   He was duly appointed chancellor by the duly elected president.  The duly elected Reichtag gave him full power through their constitutional lawmaking process.

He used his power just as ruthlessly as Jeff wants property taxes for public schools collected.  What could be more statist than that?





  
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Re: Would the Statists on Here have Made Good Nazis?
Reply #1 - Jun 9th, 2019 at 11:47pm
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I guess the beauty of American statism is that anyone can be the Jew.

In Nazism, only the Jew could be the Jew, the archetypal enemy of the state.  After all, the Jew owned too much, did business too well, prospered disproportionately to others.  But in America, we are all Jews.   At least those of us who succed under freedom are the Jews. 

We all self-selected as the ones willing to make the effort to work hard and succeed in a land with minimal government interference.

It is only when the kleptocrats decide that we are earning "too much" that or efforts are rewarded more than others who are incapable of such efforts that the statists decide that the playing field should be "leveled" (after we have won so easily over our lessor opponents), that they decide to start stealing taxing our hard-earned wealth in the name of fairness.

Yes.

The tax-and-spenders on here would have been good little Nazis.  Too bad for them, they were born in the wrong era.

  
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Re: Would the Statists on Here have Made Good Nazis?
Reply #2 - Jun 10th, 2019 at 12:11am
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As you might have guessed by now, I'm watching "Schindler's List" and drinking wine as I type this.

I just watched the scene where the Nazis told the Jews to leave their suitcases behind, they would follow them to the camps.  Then - of course - the suitcases were looted by the stealers taxers who took what they wanted needed for the benefit of the elected representatives of the state.

How is that different from being taxed for public schools in America? 

Hint:  it isn't.

  
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Re: Would the Statists on Here have Made Good Nazis?
Reply #3 - Jun 10th, 2019 at 6:59am
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Little Biq Man wrote on Jun 9th, 2019 at 11:28pm:
I mean the kleptocrats who believe in taxation (with representation).
Me? A kleptocrat?

Classical liberals and almost all libertarians believe in a rule of law that includes binding the government with law, forbidding government from doing anything other than what it has been granted permission to do, and in general what government is permitted to do is act to protect our lives and property.

How you think that aligns with the German National Socialist agenda or the type of dictatorial rule Hitler created and used, I can't imagine.

  

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Reply #4 - Jun 10th, 2019 at 7:01am
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Little Biq Man wrote on Jun 10th, 2019 at 12:11am:
As you might have guessed by now, I'm watching "Schindler's List" and drinking wine as I type this.


Are you really, really drunk, or do such insane ideas come to you even when you're only half-drunk?
  

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Reply #5 - Jun 10th, 2019 at 7:10am
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Little Biq Man wrote on Jun 9th, 2019 at 11:28pm:
I mean the kleptocrats who believe in taxation (with representation).  Would they have thrived under the Nazi regime?  Or at least served it well?

I have so say, "yes."

Keep in mind that Hitler tried a putsch, a forcible revolution and it failed miserably.  Then he tried the elected representative route to power and he was a smashing success.   He was duly appointed chancellor by the duly elected president.  The duly elected Reichtag gave him full power through their constitutional lawmaking process.

He used his power just as ruthlessly as Jeff wants property taxes for public schools collected.  What could be more statist than that?







You literally don't know what the word "statism" means.  While I oppose government schools, that isn't what statism means.

Out of the mouths of government teachers (that's you, Don).  Ignorance.  You may be the most overpaid lot in America.  The most expensive schools in the world and the worst schools in the west.  That's the legacy of American government teachers.  And you want more money.  Yeah.

You really aren't making any attempt anymore to pretend you're not Don.  This thread started with three just classic Don posts
  

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Reply #6 - Jun 10th, 2019 at 8:50am
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Nazism was immoral. Libertarianism is moral.

One of the main reasons for that is that you're partially correct, though of course, as Kaz says, you don't fully understand the issue.

Anyone can be the Jew, but anyone can also escape being the Jew.

It's morally wrong to have people locked into that state based on race.

It's not morally wrong to have a pecking order. In fact, it would be impossible for everyone to be equal. Even if there's perfect equality under the law, someone enforces the law. Someone decides. They will pick their friends and punish their enemies.

Think about it. People don't hate Stalin as much, and he killed more people. Slavery was only especially wrong when it was based on race. There's slavery now, and no one really cares.

In fact, the best philosophies will be based most strongly on pecking order. If you don't like your status, get rich, and buy more rights.

Taxes will always exist, and the most dominant will always decide what is the best use of them. Just deal with it.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Would the Statists on Here have Made Good Nazis?
Reply #7 - Jun 10th, 2019 at 9:20am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 10th, 2019 at 8:50am:
It's not morally wrong to have a pecking order. In fact, it would be impossible for everyone to be equal. Even if there's perfect equality under the law, someone enforces the law. Someone decides. They will pick their friends and punish their enemies


To a degree.  The intent of the law is to strive for equality.  There will never be perfection when you are dealing with people.

Except for Democrats of course.  They are above the law
  

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Re: Would the Statists on Here have Made Good Nazis?
Reply #8 - Jun 10th, 2019 at 9:55am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 10th, 2019 at 8:50am:
Anyone can be the Jew, but anyone can also escape being the Jew.

It's morally wrong to have people locked into that state based on race.

It's not morally wrong to have a pecking order.
The idea is to have laws that require the government to treat everyone equally and laws that treat everyone equally.

America was created with the idea that any "pecking orders" would be created by individuals based on merit. If you get to be rich and famous based on your own efforts, that's fine. If you are elevated above others or made a second class citizen by law, that's evil.
  

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Re: Would the Statists on Here have Made Good Nazis?
Reply #9 - Jun 10th, 2019 at 10:00am
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The Opposition wrote on Jun 10th, 2019 at 8:50am:
Think about it. People don't hate Stalin as much, and he killed more people. Slavery was only especially wrong when it was based on race. There's slavery now, and no one really cares.

Stalin's international socialist dream wasn't all that different than Hitler's national socialist dream, and the results were remarkably similar... And I hate Stalin's ideas and actions just as much as I hate Hitler's ideas and actions.

Slavery is wrong no matter what it's based on. Much of the slavery in the ancient world, in Europe, Asia, and the Americas, was based on nothing other than tribalism, not race, and it was just as wrong.

Please point out the current slavery you are referring to. Thanks. I hope it's something more real than you being a slave to fashion...
  

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