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Reply #10 - Jul 10th, 2019 at 5:07pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 10th, 2019 at 4:54pm:
It's nice that you recognize that I care enough about all children to want every one of them to have an opportunity to go to school., but beyond that, you should stop assuming. You aren't good at it. I think your weeny little narrow mind is the problem, but it seems that every time you assume something about me, you make an ass of yourself by being wrong. Are you some sort of weirdo masochist?


So why do you want every child to go to school, but not every child to get treatment for brain cancer?

Wouldn't the lack of treatment for brain cancer be worse for their minds than lack of education? 
  
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Reply #11 - Jul 10th, 2019 at 5:16pm
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Little Biq Man wrote on Jul 10th, 2019 at 5:07pm:
So why do you want every child to go to school, but not every child to get treatment for brain cancer?
I do want every child to get treatment for any major illness, I simply understand that single payer government bureaucrat run health care is a long way from the best way to accomplish that goal.

I know it's a conundrum for you, but I think differently about the two things...

I assume you hate local public schools and love nationalized health care?
  

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Jeff wrote on Jul 10th, 2019 at 5:16pm:
I do want every child to get treatment for any major illness, I simply understand that single payer government bureaucrat run health care is a long way from the best way to accomplish that goal.

I know it's a conundrum for you, but I think differently about the two things...

I assume you hate local public schools and love nationalized health care?


I hate them both, because I'm consistent, which you are not.

What is your plan to make sure every child will get treatment for any major illness?

  
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Reply #13 - Jul 10th, 2019 at 5:41pm
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Little Biq Man wrote on Jul 10th, 2019 at 5:20pm:
I hate them both, because I'm consistent, which you are not.

What is your plan to make sure every child will get treatment for any major illness?

Can we start with the basic fact that "every" child won't always be either educated or healed?

I know that's the promise of socialism, "To each according to his needs". (I'm sure Marx meant to include women and gender fluid people... Grin Grin Grin)

It sounds swell, but it's utopian nonsense.

Are we talking about utopian nonsense?
  

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Jeff wrote on Jul 10th, 2019 at 5:41pm:
Can we start with the basic fact that "every" child won't always be either educated or healed?

I know that's the promise of socialism, "To each according to his needs". (I'm sure Marx meant to include women and gender fluid people... Grin Grin Grin)

It sounds swell, but it's utopian nonsense.

Are we talking about utopian nonsense?


Because you used the utopian nonsense rhetoric when you said: 

Jeff wrote Today at 5:16pm:
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Little Biq Man wrote on Jul 10th, 2019 at 6:58pm:
Because you used the utopian nonsense rhetoric when you said: 

Jeff wrote Today at 5:16pm:
I want everyone in the world to be happy and rich too, so what?

Which policies, in the real world, lead us closest to the things we want for everybody? (OK, the lizard and you want lots of uneducated people so you can get cheap lawn service...)

I say, local public schools and free market health care will get us the closest to the ideal. Smiley
  

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Jeff wrote on Jul 10th, 2019 at 7:51pm:
I want everyone in the world to be happy and rich too, so what?

Which policies, in the real world, lead us closest to the things we want for everybody? (OK, the lizard and you want lots of uneducated people so you can get cheap lawn service...)

I say, local public schools and free market health care will get us the closest to the ideal. Smiley


Why not just the free market?

Since we can never attain the ideal of everyone getting educated and everyone having health care for major illnesses, why not get as close as possible by letting the free market handle both?

What is your objection to the free market?
  
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Little Biq Man wrote on Jul 10th, 2019 at 7:55pm:
Why not just the free market?

Since we can never attain the ideal of everyone getting educated and everyone having health care for major illnesses, why not get as close as possible by letting the free market handle both?

What is your objection to the free market?
I like free markets, but they won't provide educational opportunities for all children. Of course, neither will local public schools, but they work well as long as they are locally funded and locally controlled. That idea arose locally in America even before we were the United States.

The idea that everyone should have health care for "major" illnesses is an idea that didn't arise until "progressives" thought of single payer (tax funded) nationalized health care. That's as bad an idea as nationalized education. Tongue Tongue Tongue

If people want locally funded, locally controlled hospitals and clinics, they can create them and it will probably work out pretty well, unless the federal government ships in a bunch of sick immigrants... That's a separate issue.


  

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Reply #18 - Jul 10th, 2019 at 8:19pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 10th, 2019 at 8:07pm:
I like free markets, but they won't provide educational opportunities for all children. Of course, neither will local public schools, but they work well as long as they are locally funded and locally controlled. That idea arose locally in America even before we were the United States.


Exactly when did tax-funded public schools actually work to educate all children?  The local schools you speak of in colonial times were supported by voluntary contributions from parents and townsfolk. 

When exactly did taking money at gunpoint (taxing) lead to a quality public education for all children?  Name the years and the location.

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The idea that everyone should have health care for "major" illnesses is an idea that didn't arise until "progressives" thought of single payer (tax funded) nationalized health care. That's as bad an idea as nationalized education. Tongue Tongue Tongue




Since you didn't understand what you read, my reference to national education was in comparison to national corporations that provide high quality goods and services for a reasonable price. 

If we let the free market take care of education, it might be primarily local.  But, I see no reason why national and international schools such as Montesorri, the Catholic Church, the Greek Orthodox Church,  wouldn't end up providing the majority of education.   Right now, online public schools are concentrated in states, but that is because state government controls education.  Free the market and parents can decide where to send their kids.   

Then you could whine that the government should step in to protect "mom and pop" schools.
  
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Reply #19 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 6:05am
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Little Biq Man wrote on Jul 10th, 2019 at 8:19pm:
Exactly when did tax-funded public schools actually work to educate all children?  The local schools you speak of in colonial times were supported by voluntary contributions from parents and townsfolk. 
I was mainly thinking of post colonial times prior to the creation of the U.S. DoE.
  

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