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Reply #20 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 6:13am
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Little Biq Man wrote on Jul 10th, 2019 at 8:19pm:
Since you didn't understand what you read, my reference to national education was in comparison to national corporations that provide high quality goods and services for a reasonable price. 

If we let the free market take care of education, it might be primarily local.  But, I see no reason why national and international schools such as Montesorri, the Catholic Church, the Greek Orthodox Church,  wouldn't end up providing the majority of education.   Right now, online public schools are concentrated in states, but that is because state government controls education.  Free the market and parents can decide where to send their kids.   
Comparing a private school system that has schools nationwide to public schools is disingenuous.

Corporations, even if they offer products to people anywhere in America, don't provide products to people who can't afford them.

Competition certainly helps, but when all public schools are required by federal laws to teach the same things and parents are forced to send their children to the local school chosen for them, there isn't any competition. Vouchers or ESAs would help. So would getting rid of the federal and state DoEs and eliminating "bargaining" with teacher's unions.
  

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Reply #21 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 9:08am
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Jeff wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 6:13am:
Comparing a private school system that has schools nationwide to public schools is disingenuous.

Corporations, even if they offer products to people anywhere in America, don't provide products to people who can't afford them.


Boo-HOOOO!  Capitalism sucks!  Government has to provide EVERYTHING because those mean corporations expect to be paid.  We need AOC and Nancy to take their money and give it to MEEEEEEEEE!

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Competition certainly helps, but when all public schools are required by federal laws to teach the same things and parents are forced to send their children to the local school chosen for them, there isn't any competition.


Right.  That's why we need this thing called libertarianism.  You might want to research that term.

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Vouchers or ESAs would help.


Help the government to control how we spend what little money they don't steal from us, you mean?

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So would getting rid of the federal and state DoEs and eliminating "bargaining" with teacher's unions.


You're talking about re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.


  
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Reply #22 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 9:16am
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Jeff wrote on Jul 10th, 2019 at 8:07pm:
I like free markets, but



Said every socialist, ever.


  
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Little Biq Man wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 9:08am:
Right.  That's why we need this thing called libertarianism.  You might want to research that term.
It isn't a synonym for anarchy.

Communities of people are still allowed to create public schools and fund them with taxes if they choose to do so, and they do.

Right from the get go, free people decided public schools that let all the children in the community get a basic education were a good idea. They even imagined that an educated populace was a necessary element for preserving individual liberty in the nation.
  

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Little Biq Man wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 9:08am:
Help the government to control how we spend what little money they don't steal from us, you mean?
My object is to offer a basic education to every child that wants one, and improving our public schools is a good way to go.
  

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Little Biq Man wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 9:08am:
You're talking about re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
You're talking about blowing up the Titanic because you think the crew is doing a bad job.
  

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Little Biq Man wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 9:16am:
Said every socialist, ever.
Free markets will provide excellent private schools (and some that are not so excellent, but cheaper) but they won't offer a basic education to every child that wants one.

Back on topic, forcing insurance companies to pay for people's health care when they have waited until they got cancer to buy insurance is insane as well as being wrong. If any sort of insurance is going to have a chance of working, insurance companies have to be able to decide who they will insure and how much they will charge.
  

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Jeff wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 9:50am:
Free markets will provide excellent private schools (and some that are not so excellent, but cheaper) but they won't offer a basic education to every child that wants one.


Free markets will not provide a basic education to every child that want one, nor a ticket to Disney Land to every child that wants one, nor a daily Big Mac to every child that wants one, nor a dream wedding to every bridezilla.

Your answer to the past have been words to the effect of, "Yes . . . but . . . education is rilly, rilly important so government has to do it!"  That's a socialist idea, not a libertarian one.
 
  
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Little Biq Man wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 9:54am:
Free markets will not provide a basic education to every child that want one, nor a ticket to Disney Land to every child that wants one, nor a daily Big Mac to every child that wants one, nor a dream wedding to every bridezilla.
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Little Biq Man wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 9:54am:
Your answer to the past have been words to the effect of, "Yes . . . but . . . education is rilly, rilly important so government has to do it!"  That's a socialist idea, not a libertarian one.
 
It's an idea that originated with the classical liberals. They were not socialists.
  

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