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Re: Now Playing: Hearing on "Children in Cages" at the Border
Reply #10 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 10:10am
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Little Biq Man wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 9:50am:
Borders are kind of an interesting topic among libertarians, definitely not "settled science."  Some libertarians want a libertarian nation that as closed borders to prevent a flood of unfortunates and opportunists from non-libertarian countries, while others favor open borders since closing them is use of force. 

I could get behind either one, and I go back and forth about which approach I favor.  My point is, let's make up our minds as a nation.  Either close the border and build a barrier since we know nothing else will stop illegal immigration or admit that we want open borders and stop putting children in cages for a political stunt.


There's a third option; enact better immigration laws so more immigrants can come here legally and ditch the idea that the U.S. is a sanctuary for anyone in the world who lives under a bad government.

And of course, get rid of the "welfare" state, which almost all libertarians already oppose.
  

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Reply #11 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 11:09am
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Jeff wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 10:10am:
There's a third option; enact better immigration laws so more immigrants can come here legally and ditch the idea that the U.S. is a sanctuary for anyone in the world who lives under a bad government.

And of course, get rid of the "welfare" state, which almost all libertarians already oppose.

There's a fourth option, too.   Which is actually the best of all options.

Guest Visas.   

These will eliminate the need for amnesty or asylum.    Anyone from any country (except the ones listed in Trump's travel ban) can apply for a Guest Visa.

The Guest Visa costs $500 and is good for 12 months.   It is renewable indefinitely.  It allows the migrant to come and go as he/she pleases - without fear of deportation, or separation from their loved ones.   

In most cases, a Guest Visa can be issued within an hour of submitting it.   (Some applications may take a bit longer to vet properly.)

It's the obvious libertarian solution.  Hopefully, lawmakers will implement my Guest Visa plan, and we can say adios to all the insanity happening on our southern border.
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 11:27am
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9SkyChief wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 11:09am:
and we can say adios to all the insanity happening on our southern border.


We would also need to say zài jiàn, xin chao and see you later Furback (Canadians).
  
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Reply #13 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 11:33am
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Jeff wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 10:10am:
There's a third option; enact better immigration laws so more immigrants can come here legally and ditch the idea that the U.S. is a sanctuary for anyone in the world who lives under a bad government.


There are dozens of other options better than our system of outlawing immigrants and also encouraging them to come in.  But we haven't opted for anything else but outlawing immigrants and encouraging them to come in.

We shouldn't be putting kids in cages because of our failure is my point.

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And of course, get rid of the "welfare" state, which almost all libertarians already oppose.


Yeah.  Almost.

How much is your monthly check again?  Surely not as much as $700 per day, is it?

Would you be opposed to being required, as a part of your monthly government check, to take in an immigrant mother and child?  Your check could be increased to cover the makings for tamales and frijoles. 

The one that testified about the tragic death of her daughter was kinda cute, so who know . . .


  
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Reply #14 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:22pm
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Ok, now a young Democratic Representative on the house judiciary committee, chaired by Nadler, channeled Matthew McCon-a-hay (sp) and asked the memmbers to imagine children being treated the way the kids in cages are being treated, and then, "now imagine if they were white."

You MAGA folks need to start worrying. 

Jeff?

  
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Reply #15 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 3:44pm
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SkyChief wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 11:09am:
There's a fourth option, too.   Which is actually the best of all options.

Guest Visas.   

That would come under the option of enacting (arguably) better immigration laws.
  

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Reply #16 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 3:47pm
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Little Biq Man wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 11:33am:
Would you be opposed to being required, as a part of your monthly government check, to take in an immigrant mother and child?  Your check could be increased to cover the makings for tamales and frijoles. 
I'd rather take in a young single man from somewhere in Africa, but what I'd really like to see is the end of Social Security.
  

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Reply #17 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 3:49pm
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Little Biq Man wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 12:22pm:
Ok, now a young Democratic Representative on the house judiciary committee, chaired by Nadler, channeled Matthew McCon-a-hay (sp) and asked the memmbers to imagine children being treated the way the kids in cages are being treated, and then, "now imagine if they were white."

You MAGA folks need to start worrying. 

Jeff?

You want me to poll people I know who like Trump? What should I ask them?
  

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Reply #18 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 4:03pm
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Little Biq Man wrote Today at 11:33am:
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Would you be opposed to being required, as a part of your monthly government check, to take in an immigrant mother and child?  Your check could be increased to cover the makings for tamales and frijoles.


Jeff wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 3:47pm:
I'd rather take in a young single man from somewhere in Africa,


Oh.

Well, Jeff my level of respect for you just went up.  I hope you weren't trying to provoke me into making an issue of that preference for African men over a Guatamalan hottie.  I have no issue with that at all.  It shows a willingness to be open about both your same-sex preference and your not falling into the Euro-centric standards of attractiveness which is out of place in a diverse society such as ours. 

From a libertarian perspective, I think that the USSC ruling on gay marriage has made it much easier for people to be honest about themselves.  At first I was annoyed because I felt that decision should have been left up to states.  After all, it would have  only taken one state to allow same-sex marriage to make those marriages legal in all states under the "full faith and credit clause."  But how many times has the USSC had to step in to end discriminatory practices by states in violation of the IV amendment?  Countless.

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but what I'd really like to see is the end of Social Security.


I would trade every check I have coming when I am old enough if my own kids no longer had to pay into that absurd Ponzi scheme.

  
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Re: Now Playing: Hearing on "Children in Cages" at the Border
Reply #19 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 4:24pm
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Jeff wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 3:49pm:
You want me to poll people I know who like Trump? What should I ask them?


Ask them how they think the deaths of these children in cages are going to affect Trump's re-election chances.

  
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