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There are no democrat or lefties for reals
Jul 11th, 2019 at 10:02pm
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The whole political situation is really freaking me out and giving me depression. 

I have no problem admitting that I lean right but I am also glad that my Libertarian values stop me from falling over right-side-up.

Republicans and And Democrats, of course, have never agreed on most things but in the past, they did stand united on issues of national security and they both felt they were doing what was best for the American people and they both revered the Constitution.  The Democrats were patriots too!

Where did they go?  Today's Democrats openly say that they hate America, they hate the Constitution and they think free speech is a right that should be abolished.  Are these really even Democrats anymore?

Jesus "tap dancing" Christ!  Am I still living in America anymore dude?
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 7:36am
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yamcha wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 10:02pm:
The whole political situation is really freaking me out and giving me depression. 

I have no problem admitting that I lean right but I am also glad that my Libertarian values stop me from falling over right-side-up.

Republicans and And Democrats, of course, have never agreed on most things but in the past, they did stand united on issues of national security and they both felt they were doing what was best for the American people and they both revered the Constitution.  The Democrats were patriots too!

Where did they go?  Today's Democrats openly say that they hate America, they hate the Constitution and they think free speech is a right that should be abolished.  Are these really even Democrats anymore?

Jesus "tap dancing" Christ!  Am I still living in America anymore dude?
Things have changed, that's for sure. Republicans used to say they were fiscally conservative...

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/3355970000000-federal-spe...

Edit: "Progressives" never liked the Constitution much, it was in the way of them having the power they wanted to re-make America in the image dreamed up by expert dreamers. That's why the turned the Constitution upside down during FDR's administration, and things have gone downhill ever since.
  

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Reply #2 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:23am
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Rather ahistoric analysis.  Until recently, there were folks in each party that agreed with each other more than they agreed with some folks within their party. 

Even now the disagreements are mostly tribal.  Its pretty clear that folks change their belief to match the beliefs they think align with the party they are in. 

Free Trade and anti-tarriff attitudes have never been more popular among Dems and Russia has never been more popular among Reps for instance.
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:34am
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Not an analysis, just my personal feeling man.
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:17am
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I've had the same general feeling. Patriotism became at first increasingly uncool, and ultimately just plain evil.

Remember though that the libertarian party stands united for open borders and free travel, so I see it as part of this trend, not counter to it. Yet I have never heard a peep out of anyone about how any other country should have open borders.

Others are allowed to have nations. America is not.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #5 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:26am
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The Opposition wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:17am:
I've had the same general feeling. Patriotism became at first increasingly uncool, and ultimately just plain evil.

Remember though that the libertarian party stands united for open borders and free travel, so I see it as part of this trend, not counter to it. Yet I have never heard a peep out of anyone about how any other country should have open borders.

Others are allowed to have nations. America is not.
I don't think the Libertarian Party is leading any trends. Most libertarians would be willing to consider open borders with safeguards against bringing in diseases or terrorists, but not as long as we have a welfare state.

China should have open borders, but instead, they are eradicating 'others' who live in China.

Ethnic Russians are no doubt still prejudiced against the 'others' who live in greater Russia.

Edit: The only people who think patriotism is evil are people who hate the idea of America.
  

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Reply #6 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:28am
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Find me an article about how China is evil because they don't have open borders.

There are probably hundreds about America. I see a new one practically every day.
  

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Reply #7 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:41am
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The Opposition wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:28am:
Find me an article about how China is evil because they don't have open borders.

There are probably hundreds about America. I see a new one practically every day.
I've not read an article about patriotism being evil that I can remember.

"My country right or wrong" is a dangerous idea, but it's not really patriotism. Patriots are willing to give up a lot to make sure their government doesn't do wrong things. Smiley
  

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Reply #8 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:42am
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The Opposition wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:28am:
There are probably hundreds about America. I see a new one practically every day.
Where? Link me to one posted yesterday... Thanks.
  

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Reply #9 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:58am
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I recently spoke to an old business associate who I haven't seen or heard from since the Bush Administration.

yamcha wrote on Jul 11th, 2019 at 10:02pm:
The whole political situation is really freaking me out and giving me depression. 

He basically said this verbatim.  I specifically recall him using the terms "political situation" and  "depression" (or "depressed")

I agreed with him that these are distressing times. 

Today, the major political parties are more divided than they were during the Civil War.   Socialist extremists have infiltrated government, and are gaining popularity among young voters.  They are a clear and present danger with regards to liberty and freedom.
  

Governments will always devise ways to deprive an honest man of his money or property, and claim that it's legal.
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