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Aug 3rd, 2019 at 10:48pm
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. . . country does?

  
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Reply #1 - Aug 3rd, 2019 at 11:46pm
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This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Little Biq Man wrote on Aug 3rd, 2019 at 10:48pm:
. . . country does?

https://www.voanews.com/usa/mass-shootings-around-world
  

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Jeff wrote on Aug 4th, 2019 at 6:18am:


Your article went back to 2015 and before to find examples of "mass shooting" in other countries, that one in each country.  We've had two in the last two days.

What else ya got?

Actually, never mind.  This thread is about why we have so many mass shootings, not whether we have them.  If you really want to make a case that we don't have more mass shootings than other countries, feel free to start your own thread.

  
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Thoughts and prayers are all we can do with these mass shootings.

More gun control measures don't work.

When a madman is bent on killing large numbers of random people in crowded areas, he will do it.

It doesn't matter if the weapon was obtained legally or if it was obtained illegally.

The mass-murder victims are equally dead.    I know that sounds callous, but it's true.
  
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 4th, 2019 at 12:06pm:
Thoughts and prayers are all we can do with these mass shootings.


Europeans neither think nor pray nearly as much as Americans do, yet they have far fewer mass shootings than we do, so thoughts and prayers are not the answer.

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More gun control measures don't work.


They will never work in the U.S., I completely agree.  Still, we have to recognize that the ubiquitous availability of high capacity rapid fire weapons makes it easier to commit these kind of acts.  That's just common sense, and we sound foolish if we deny it.  I prefer to say that giving up our right to be armed because of mass shootings just gives in to terrorists.


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When a madman is bent on killing large numbers of random people in crowded areas, he will do it.

It doesn't matter if the weapon was obtained legally or if it was obtained illegally.

The mass-murder victims are equally dead.    I know that sounds callous, but it's true.


I think we need to realize that it is futile to ascribe motives to mass shooters.  The El Paso shooter was reportedly an anti-immigrant crazy.  No word on what type of craziness the Ohio shooter was driven by.  Other mass shooters may be Muslim crazies or socialist crazies or what have you.

My opinion is that the shooter is motivated by the desire to shoot people, and that whatever bizarre beliefs he expresses are just background noise.

I put some blame on our pressure-cooker public schools, but I also recognize that I may be projecting.

  
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Just in reference to the El Paso shooting, does anyone know whether the Walmart had signs banning firearms?  They have every right to have such signs, don't get me wrong.

I just can't imagine a shooter doing that in Texas and living long enough to be arrested.  I guess El Paso and maybe Austin are the only places in Texas where that would be possible.

  
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Little Biq Man wrote on Aug 4th, 2019 at 12:38pm:
I just can't imagine a shooter doing that in Texas and living long enough to be arrested.  I guess El Paso and maybe Austin are the only places in Texas where that would be possible.


Texas is a proud capital punishment state.   People rarely stay on Death Row for more than a couple of years.

This kid's days are numbered, I think.      Unless he can cop an insanity plea.
  
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 4th, 2019 at 12:06pm:
Thoughts and prayers are all we can do with these mass shootings.

More gun control measures don't work.

When a madman is bent on killing large numbers of random people in crowded areas, he will do it.

It doesn't matter if the weapon was obtained legally or if it was obtained illegally.

The mass-murder victims are equally dead.    I know that sounds callous, but it's true.


Agreed. And even if legal guns increase shootings slightly, so what?

Punish the offender. That's the end of it. If this doesn't work then you have worse problems than a few dozen dead bodies.

That some people will use their toys to hurt others is no excuse to take the toys away from everyone. This is literally what individualism is about.

"But, if it saves just one child...!"

Well, it will. There are probably hundreds of thousands if not millions of horrible tyrannical policies that would save just one life.

That's not an excuse to violate rights.

Little Biq Man wrote on Aug 4th, 2019 at 12:15pm:
Europeans neither think nor pray nearly as much as Americans do, yet they have far fewer mass shootings than we do, so thoughts and prayers are not the answer.


There's not an answer and that's fine.

I posted the article I did because I agree with the statement that vast wealth inequality causes people to lash out. They're stuck in a world without love or cooperation and they know others are so far ahead that they can never catch up and succeed. They've already lost, so they go with nuclear option because they can't possibly lose any worse than they already have.

Human beings are not built to compete all the time. They're built to cooperate with a small insular group with which they spend a majority of their time.

It doesn't matter. It's not a problem. People will adapt or perish.

Cooperation was a huge adaptation when it first came out. People adapted. Constant competition is the same. It's a leap forward in civilisation that's miles ahead of primitive tribalism and it's going to be bumpy at first.
  

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Little Biq Man wrote on Aug 4th, 2019 at 11:53am:
Your article went back to 2015 and before to find examples of "mass shooting" in other countries, that one in each country.  We've had two in the last two days.

What else ya got?

Actually, never mind.  This thread is about why we have so many mass shootings, not whether we have them.  If you really want to make a case that we don't have more mass shootings than other countries, feel free to start your own thread.



You said no other country has mass shootings... They do.
Perhaps we have more because we're a lot bigger in population than the other countries where mass shootings occur...

Why are there mass shootings in any country?


  

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