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Reply #50 - Aug 8th, 2019 at 9:50pm
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The Opposition wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 10:18am:
I made the case before this incident that tort law was terrible, and it's not just that it's corrupt. Under tort law, you can punish someone for doing something that isn't illegal, which means anyone can be punished for anything at any time, regardless of law.

Once a tort is established - once someone sues and wins - that act that was sued against is now effectively illegal anyway, only no laws had to be passed or signed. People worry about judges legislating from the bench but they ignore an entire system that's set up for them to do it.

I'd like to live in a world where, to be punished for doing something, that thing has to be illegal. And people just deal with it if somebody's tree drops leaves in their yard or if they slip on a wet floor.

I was ridiculed for posting absurd nonsense, as always. So I now believe tort law is right and incredibly libertarian. Don't like something I'm doing? Sue me and make me stop.


Yep.  Spot on!

If I can be sued for having a trampoline in my back yard because some fool kid breaks his neck by jumping on my property uninvited, then make it illegal to own a trampoline without a fence.  Why allow a judge to "fine" me via a punitive judgement that goes to a parent that didn't supervise is kid and didn't raise him to respect private property.

Tell me the exact specifications of fence I am required to have in order get a trampoline license or leave me alone.


  
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Reply #51 - Aug 8th, 2019 at 9:54pm
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Jeff wrote on Aug 7th, 2019 at 3:33pm:
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I think the media should go back to daily body counts from all our foreign non-wars, making them front page news every day.


Good point!

Back when I was a neocon, I hated that the press reported the daily death count from "Bush's wars," then immediately stopped them when Saint Obama took over (they went up).

Every single day that we have our very best young people dying overseas for no articulable reason, we should have our noses rubbed in their blood. 
  
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Reply #52 - Aug 9th, 2019 at 7:03pm
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Jeff wrote on Aug 8th, 2019 at 8:25am:
Congress passed the law specifically because tort law was being used to harass lawful businesses in order to drive them out of business, using the absurd premise that you are responsible for how someone uses something you've sold to them.

You're correct that tort law is being abused by giving standing to people who haven't actually been harmed by the people they are suing. (Edit: Hey, I keep getting solicitations from lawyers wanting to know if I ever used RoundUp and might want to claim that all my ailments were caused by using it.)

You are also correct that judges are at fault.

What's your solution? Get rid of laws and courts and judges?


No, but put judges and courts under the control of elected lawmakers.  Same with the executive branch.  A parliamentary system would be much better than three "co-equal branches." 

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Involving Congress would be unconstitutional unless Congress acted to remove jurisdiction of the courts from a particular issue, which they sort of did by passing a law that protected lawful businesses from harassing lawsuits. Perhaps they needed to be more clear?


So clear that no lawyer could ever make an argument that it doesn't say what it clearly says?  Can't happen.   Lawyers make too much money arguing that black is white at least that the existence of grey means black or white is impossible.

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It's a tricky proposition, who should decide if a complaint has merit or not... I say judges, even though there are some bad judges.

Loser pays would help.


It's a step in the right direction, that's for sure. 


  
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Reply #53 - Aug 9th, 2019 at 10:19pm
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How about if someone doesn't like something I'm doing that's currently not illegal, they go the traditional route to get me punished and start trying to get the law changed?

How would you feel if there was redistribution by civil precedent? People start suing the rich for making their money not worth as much. Leftist judges would probably say absolutely, damage has been inflicted.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #54 - Aug 9th, 2019 at 10:25pm
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If all laws had an expiration date then that should take care of it.
  
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Reply #55 - Aug 13th, 2019 at 9:11am
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Little Biq Man wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 7:03pm:
No, but put judges and courts under the control of elected lawmakers.  Same with the executive branch.
Then the TwoParties could control everything and change their name to the Communist Party of the U.S.A.?
  

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Reply #56 - Aug 13th, 2019 at 9:12am
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The Opposition wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 10:19pm:
How about if someone doesn't like something I'm doing that's currently not illegal, they go the traditional route to get me punished and start trying to get the law changed?

What are you doing now? Who is it harming?
  

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Reply #57 - Aug 13th, 2019 at 8:21pm
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Jeff wrote on Aug 13th, 2019 at 9:11am:
Then the TwoParties could control everything and change their name to the Communist Party of the U.S.A.?


The TwoParties control everything now and they like having a party called "Communist Party USA," so the TwoParties can pretend they aren't the most powerful socialist force in the nation.

What's your point?


  
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Reply #58 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 6:53am
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Little Biq Man wrote on Aug 13th, 2019 at 8:21pm:
The TwoParties control everything now and they like having a party called "Communist Party USA," so the TwoParties can pretend they aren't the most powerful socialist force in the nation.

What's your point?


That you're idea of having Congress control everything is a horribly bad idea. Stupid even.
  

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Reply #59 - Aug 15th, 2019 at 6:35am
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Back on topic, some sane talk about mass murders in the U.S.

https://reason.com/podcast/james-alan-fox-there-is-no-evidence-of-an-epidemic-of...

"The nation's leading scholar of mass shootings explains how media coverage of horrific events such as El Paso and Dayton stoke unwarranted fear and anxiety."
  

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