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Reply #20 - Aug 10th, 2019 at 9:37am
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Jacob, you said that marriage is a constitutional right.  It is not.  That is all.  Just because it is not in the constitution does not mean it is not a right.

I just want you to get your knowledge right so that you can write your manifesto someday.  Get into the habit.

Libertarians don't really go by the constitution anyways.  They are all into this free-market thing to decide everything.
  
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Reply #21 - Aug 13th, 2019 at 6:18am
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yamcha wrote on Aug 10th, 2019 at 9:37am:
Jacob, you said that marriage is a constitutional right.  It is not.  That is all.  Just because it is not in the constitution does not mean it is not a right.

I just want you to get your knowledge right so that you can write your manifesto someday.  Get into the habit.

Libertarians don't really go by the constitution anyways.  They are all into this free-market thing to decide everything.
Freedom is a natural right, and the freedom to marry (or just live with) anyone you choose is simply a part of individual liberty, which is protected by the Constitution, which is why classical liberals created the Constitution and libertarians like it.

You misunderstand the Constitution if you believe it grants rights. It does not, because rights can't be granted.

The Constitution protects rights by strictly limiting the powers granted to the government.

As Jacob made clear, powers not granted to the government don't exist in the U.S.


  

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Reply #22 - Aug 13th, 2019 at 6:21am
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Jacob wrote on Aug 9th, 2019 at 7:31am:
What are your thoughts?

It seems to be affecting the Chinese very little, as their economy is slowing down for other reasons and they aren't backing down. Apparently being formally labelled as currency manipulators isn't going to work out very well either.

But something has to be done about China:
They are waging economic warfare on everyone they do business with ... If a trade war is not the answer, what better options does the US or the rest of the world have?
It is hurting China as well as the U.S.

Our best option is to free our own economy as much as possible and prepare to defend ourselves.

China is not "backing down", but rather preparing for a shooting war, which is the most usual result of trade wars.
  

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Reply #23 - Aug 13th, 2019 at 12:10pm
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Jeff wrote on Aug 13th, 2019 at 6:21am:
China is not "backing down", but rather preparing for a shooting war, which is the most usual result of trade wars.

It would have to be a nuke war. 

They probably know what is lurking "behind every blade of grass".
  

Governments will always devise ways to deprive an honest man of his money or property, and claim that it's legal.
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Reply #24 - Aug 13th, 2019 at 2:16pm
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 13th, 2019 at 12:10pm:
It would have to be a nuke war. 
Let's hope not.

Anyway, grass grows as buds, not blades... Smiley
  

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Reply #25 - Aug 15th, 2019 at 11:25am
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Yesterday, the Dow Jones Industrial plummeted 800 points.

In true form, Trump blamed the Fed.    Grin   Grin

"We are winning, big time, against China.  Companies & jobs are fleeing. Prices to us have not gone up, and in some cases, have come down. Our problem is with the Fed. Raised too much & too fast. Now too slow to cut."


His approval numbers really took a hit.   We'll need to see if the Markets recover today.

If they don't, this could be a harbinger of another recession, which would negatively impact Trump's chances for re-election.
  

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Reply #26 - Aug 15th, 2019 at 1:38pm
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 11:25am:
If they don't, this could be a harbinger of another recession, which would negatively impact Trump's chances for re-election.
All part of the plan Chief.

Not to worry, the Republican branch of the TwoParties has lots of viable presidential candidates waiting in the wings to challenge Trump in the primary.
  

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Reply #27 - Aug 30th, 2019 at 7:10am
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Reply #28 - Aug 30th, 2019 at 7:48am
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There are a lot of factors going on.  I hear the opposite that China cannot hold out any longer.  they have 1.5 billion mouths to feed and any stop in the production line may become a serious recession to depression.

Here is the best talk I have seen about the truth about inside China:


Hong Kong is also fukking them up right now. If China moves in with a violent crackdown, it will be a fiasco for them that would cost them trillions. That's why it won't happen. Far too many globalists have money parked into HK. If their asset values go down, they will return the economic pain on China with heavy sanctions and tariffs.

HK is the Switzerland of Asia. Even Hitler never invaded Switzerland, and for good reason. Far more to lose than to gain with such a move. Same is true in HK. Already Europe and the Democratic Party are threatening China not to use the military. Republicans are already anti-China. The result, 60% of the world's economy is standing behind HK. China is only 14% of the world GDP, they know better than to fukk with this.

On the other hand, if China does not restore order, the HK protests will continue to cost a lot of face from China. China, which is using its image of strength to expand into Southeast Asia and beyond, looks weak when protesters with laser guns can shut down airports, trash talk China, sing the US National Anthem, etc.

China is in a very delicate situation right now, and they know it. Otherwise, it'd have already been a Tiananmen Sq last month. China wants to smack these protesters around, but they cannot without losing a staggering amount of money. Hurting HK will seriously piss off Western globalists who use HK as a tax haven, money laundering center throughout Asia, and lots of private bank accounts. China knows the score, and that's why it's not invading (and probably will not, but the protesters are doing their best to provoke a response from China. They want China to hit them because they feel emboldened by all the globalist support they've been getting).
  
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Reply #29 - Aug 30th, 2019 at 8:48am
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yamcha wrote on Aug 30th, 2019 at 7:48am:
There are a lot of factors going on.  I hear the opposite that China cannot hold out any longer.  they have 1.5 billion mouths to feed and any stop in the production line may become a serious recession to depression.

Here is the best talk I have seen about the truth about inside China:


Hong Kong is also fukking them up right now. If China moves in with a violent crackdown, it will be a fiasco for them that would cost them trillions. That's why it won't happen. Far too many globalists have money parked into HK. If their asset values go down, they will return the economic pain on China with heavy sanctions and tariffs.

HK is the Switzerland of Asia. Even Hitler never invaded Switzerland, and for good reason. Far more to lose than to gain with such a move. Same is true in HK. Already Europe and the Democratic Party are threatening China not to use the military. Republicans are already anti-China. The result, 60% of the world's economy is standing behind HK. China is only 14% of the world GDP, they know better than to fukk with this.

On the other hand, if China does not restore order, the HK protests will continue to cost a lot of face from China. China, which is using its image of strength to expand into Southeast Asia and beyond, looks weak when protesters with laser guns can shut down airports, trash talk China, sing the US National Anthem, etc.

China is in a very delicate situation right now, and they know it. Otherwise, it'd have already been a Tiananmen Sq last month. China wants to smack these protesters around, but they cannot without losing a staggering amount of money. Hurting HK will seriously piss off Western globalists who use HK as a tax haven, money laundering center throughout Asia, and lots of private bank accounts. China knows the score, and that's why it's not invading (and probably will not, but the protesters are doing their best to provoke a response from China. They want China to hit them because they feel emboldened by all the globalist support they've been getting).
China's problems, as you say, go deeper than the trade war, but when did any Communist Party care about sacrificing it's own people?

If the Chinese Military continues to be subservient to Party control, the Party will stay in power, which is all they really care about, and they are willing to take a very long view.

No government is doing well, anywhere in the world, and what Trump is risking is a total worldwide economic collapse, which may end up changing governments here and there, but the Communists will stay in power.

And don't forget, China has yet to fully serve it's internal markets,... Are other countries besides the U.S. imposing tariffs on Chinese imports?
  

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