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Reply #60 - Aug 17th, 2019 at 3:22pm
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 17th, 2019 at 3:13pm:
 

The State has the power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, and without apportionment.  This Tax shall include tips, dividends, wages, salaries, inheritance, interest, gambling winnings, lottery winnings, windfall profits, stipends, buried treasure discoveries, and any money found between the sofa cushions.

That's part of your Constitution, right? At least the first part...

And you agree with your revenuers that a tax laid on any of those things is Indirect?

You agree that wages and salaries are "incomes"?

Edit: Do you think the people of Kalifornia really intended to give your legislature unlimited powers of taxation? What fools if they did...
  

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Reply #61 - Aug 17th, 2019 at 4:12pm
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Jeff wrote on Aug 17th, 2019 at 3:22pm:
That's part of your Constitution, right? At least the first part...

And you agree with your revenuers that a tax laid on any of those things is Indirect?

Edit: Do you think the people of Kalifornia really intended to give your legislature unlimited powers of taxation? What fools if they did...

Direct taxes are any taxes paid DIRECTly to the government, i.e. Income tax, Property tax, Asset Tax, etc.

Indirect taxes would include excise tax, sales tax, Vat tax, usage tax, etc...

California has the power and authority to levy both direct and indirect taxes for government expansion, and it has worked very well for them.  The majority of Californians came from far-away places that are even more socialist than California, so from their perspective, they have it pretty good!   Grin   Grin

Jeff wrote on Aug 17th, 2019 at 3:22pm:
You agree that wages and salaries are "incomes"?

Not really,  but like the IRS, the Personal Income Tax Act doesn't make any distinctions between income and salary/wages, so it's moot.
  

Governments will always devise ways to deprive an honest man of his money or property, and claim that it's legal.
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Reply #62 - Aug 17th, 2019 at 5:15pm
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 17th, 2019 at 4:12pm:
Direct taxes are any taxes paid DIRECTly to the government...
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

ALL taxes go directly to the government Chief.

What makes a tax constitutionally Direct is how it acts on the taxpayer.

From colonial times, Americans had been subjected to unapportioned Direct taxes. It was the way of the world before the American idea took shape.

You worked hard to grow enough food for yourself and your family until the next harvest, and tried to get ahead a bit, but the Lord came down and took it... Actually he sent his Tax Man to take it.

That was a Direct tax. It took the fruits of a persons labor from them. Directly. Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley

It's not that hard a concept Chief...
  

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Reply #63 - Aug 17th, 2019 at 5:30pm
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Jeff wrote on Aug 17th, 2019 at 5:15pm:
ALL taxes go directly to the government Chief.

No they dont.

When I pay my Federal Income Tax, I write a check payable to the IRS. (the government)

When I pay my State Income Tax, I write a check payable to the California Franchise Tax Board (the government)

When I pay my Property Tax, I write a check payable to the Los Angeles County Assessor (the government)

When I pay the California Gasoline Tax, i don't write any checks - I pay at the pump.

When I pay the California Sales tax, I don't write any checks  -  I pay at the check-out register.

When I pay the California Water Usage Tax, I don't write any checks - it's included in our Water bill.

Jeff, here's an easy way to figure out what kind of tax you're paying:

If you paid the Tax by writing a check to the gov't, it's a DIRECT TAX.

If you paid the Tax without writing a check to the gov't, it's an INDIRECT TAX.

Hope this helps!!    Smiley
  

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Reply #64 - Aug 17th, 2019 at 5:49pm
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 17th, 2019 at 5:30pm:
No they dont.
Duh!

If you're being "taxed" by anyone but the government, you should stop them from doing it. Angry

Who is it besides a government that is taxing you?

Fool!

All taxes go DIRECTLY to government.

It's governments that levy taxes and enforce their payment.

Edit: And unlucky you, you live in a state with unlimited powers of taxation, and no limits on how the revenue can be spent...

And you're feeling feisty and wanting to assert your rights...

Woe is you. Cry
  

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Reply #65 - Aug 17th, 2019 at 7:50pm
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 17th, 2019 at 5:30pm:
No they dont.

When I pay my Federal Income Tax, I write a check payable to the IRS. (the government)

When I pay my State Income Tax, I write a check payable to the California Franchise Tax Board (the government)

When I pay my Property Tax, I write a check payable to the Los Angeles County Assessor (the government)

When I pay the California Gasoline Tax, i don't write any checks - I pay at the pump.

When I pay the California Sales tax, I don't write any checks  -  I pay at the check-out register.

When I pay the California Water Usage Tax, I don't write any checks - it's included in our Water bill.

Jeff, here's an easy way to figure out what kind of tax you're paying:

If you paid the Tax by writing a check to the gov't, it's a DIRECT TAX.

If you paid the Tax without writing a check to the gov't, it's an INDIRECT TAX.

Hope this helps!!    Smiley


But Chief, don't you think it all winds up in DC or Sacramento?  That's why it pisses me off when people say the mestizos pay tax too.
  
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Reply #66 - Aug 17th, 2019 at 10:34pm
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yamcha wrote on Aug 17th, 2019 at 7:50pm:
But Chief, don't you think it all winds up in DC or Sacramento?  That's why it pisses me off when people say the mestizos pay tax too.
Well they do pay some taxes.   It's unavoidable.

If they drive a car, they pay the Gasoline Tax.   If they bathe or flush the toilet, they pay the Water Usage Tax.  If they buy stuff at the store, they pay the Sales Tax.

These are all INDIRECT Taxes.   
  

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Reply #67 - Aug 17th, 2019 at 10:53pm
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 17th, 2019 at 10:34pm:
Well they do pay some taxes.   It's unavoidable.

If they drive a car, they pay the Gasoline Tax.   If they bathe or flush the toilet, they pay the Water Usage Tax.  If they buy stuff at the store, they pay the Sales Tax.

These are all INDIRECT Taxes.   


If it were only indirect taxes.  Every time one of those fukks gets a heart attack and gets wheeled into ER for a 300k quadruple bypass...
  
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Reply #68 - Aug 17th, 2019 at 11:36pm
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yamcha wrote on Aug 17th, 2019 at 10:53pm:
If it were only indirect taxes.  Every time one of those fukks gets a heart attack and gets wheeled into ER for a 300k quadruple bypass...


If you think this is happening, you can avoid being taxed in this way by simply refusing to use the service.

If you're right, they must be draining the system and milking their paying customers to make up for it.

If something happens to me, and I need medical care, I won't let them have a penny. Bullet goes into my brain right then and there. I wish I could do more to avoid them carting my corpse to the ER and charging it $124k (has happened to some people) but I certainly won't sit by and let them drain my bank account to poison me slowly to death on a 1% chance it will cure my cancer.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #69 - Aug 17th, 2019 at 11:47pm
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So why wait?  Haha!
  
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