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Tommy the Idiot
Aug 20th, 2019 at 1:05am
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Thomas Jefferson fukked up big time when editing the Declaration of Independence, changed Locke's "life, liberty and property" to the more socially liberal "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".

He should have either left it as it was or just added the happiness bullshit somewhere else.  What the hell is the pursuit of happiness anyways?  Fukking undefinable nonsense and therefore eternally disputable and arguable.  Why didn't he just say the pursuit of Teleportation or Time Travel or Invisibility or any of the other unobtainable and dismissable bullshit pursuits?

If he would have left the word PROPERTY then we wouldn't have all this eminent domain crap or property or inheritance tax crap today.

That was the second biggest mistake they made after bringing the Africans here.

And by the way, anyone who does not think to bring Africans here a mistake supports the plucking of people from their land and enslaving them.
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Reply #1 - Aug 20th, 2019 at 11:27am
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I agree 90%.   Enslaving the Africans was wrong.  Slavery is aggression in the purest form.

If he had left Locke's credo alone, there would be no Amendment XVI, and no Income Tax.

However I do NOT agree that Thomas Jefferson was an idiot.  It is estimated that Thomas Jefferson's IQ would have been 138.

An idiot has an IQ of 25 or less.
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 20th, 2019 at 2:02pm
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yamcha wrote on Aug 20th, 2019 at 1:05am:
Thomas Jefferson fukked up big time when editing the Declaration of Independence, changed Locke's "life, liberty and property" to the more socially liberal "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".

Do you think it's possible to pursue happiness if you don't have protected property rights?
  

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Reply #3 - Aug 20th, 2019 at 2:04pm
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yamcha wrote on Aug 20th, 2019 at 1:05am:
What the hell is the pursuit of happiness anyways? 
Happiness means different things to different people.

The idea of America was that people would be free to pursue whatever they thought made them happy... Provided of course they respected the rights of others to do the same.

You aren't exactly a deep thinker, are you?

The best way to protect property is with limited governments controlled by law and tasked with protecting rights and property, and people just aren't willing to donate money for government.

Eminent domain made good sense in an undeveloped country with almost no roads or other means of transportation, especially in a time when communication depended on roads...

It also made sense in a country without forts or military bases, i.e. no means to defend the country.

It doesn't make much sense today, and it's certainly being misused.
  

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Reply #4 - Aug 20th, 2019 at 2:15pm
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yamcha wrote on Aug 20th, 2019 at 1:05am:
That was the second biggest mistake they made after bringing the Africans here.

The British brought slaves to America. The first in 1619.

The mistake Sacky Snack always rants about is not ending slavery when the Constitution was written, but he refuses to acknowledge the very real concerns that the new nation would not survive without the slave states in the union, and the slave states weren't about to join the union without their slaves.
  

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Reply #5 - Aug 20th, 2019 at 3:43pm
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SkyChief wrote on Aug 20th, 2019 at 11:27am:
I agree 90%.   Enslaving the Africans was wrong.  Slavery is aggression in the purest form.

If he had left Locke's credo alone, there would be no Amendment XVI, and no Income Tax.

However I do NOT agree that Thomas Jefferson was an idiot.  It is estimated that Thomas Jefferson's IQ would have been 138.

An idiot has an IQ of 25 or less.


I know he was a genius 99% of the time and his IQ would have been probably closer to 150 or higher.  But yeah he should have left it alone.  The pursuit of happiness is not a tangible thing nor is it a primary goal of the intelligent.  Happiness is a side effect of living with purpose.
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 20th, 2019 at 4:55pm
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yamcha wrote on Aug 20th, 2019 at 3:43pm:
The pursuit of happiness is not a tangible thing nor is it a primary goal of the intelligent.  Happiness is a side effect of living with purpose.
If living with purpose makes you happy, go for it! Smiley Smiley Smiley

Caution: Make sure you live somewhere where the government won't kill you because they disagree with your purpose... Shocked Shocked Shocked

This is common in non-free countries where the purpose is claimed to be communal for a variety of reasons... Mostly spurious and fantastical. Cry

But of course if being murdered by tyrants would serve your purpose, go fo it! Smiley Smiley Smiley

Edit: Is your purpose to be a martyr for some cause? Which one? How do you intend to provoke someone into killing you?

Just curious. Kiss
  

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Reply #7 - Sep 3rd, 2019 at 10:07am
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More about 1619:

https://www.thecollegefix.com/cornell-scholar-cited-in-nyts-1619-series-charged-...

It seems that the "progressive" claim that "capitalism" was created and sustained by slavery is a lie...

But really, who accepted that nonsense to begin with? People traded freely with each other long before governments were created. Smiley

Edit: Of course they also often enslaved each other too... Anyway, slavery isn't a good economic strategy except in maybe a few instances. Slaves just aren't very productive.
  

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Reply #8 - Sep 3rd, 2019 at 10:35am
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yamcha wrote on Aug 20th, 2019 at 1:05am:
What the hell is the pursuit of happiness anyways?  Fukking undefinable nonsense and therefore eternally disputable and arguable.


Maybe that's why he put it in there. There are infinite ways people might remove the freedom of others, and any specific right can be worked around by clever lawyerfolk. Liberty can be redefined to be meaningless.

He might have been trying, perhaps unsuccessfully, to give people grounds to stand against new laws that erode freedom even if they technically don't erode freedom in the definitions of the lawyerfolk.

Yeah, this new law sucks, because under it, I can no longer pursue happiness. Maybe my happiness was owning a home and the new law was open borders and all the houses went to the immigrants. Technically pro-freedom, yes. Doesn't violate rights.

Maybe Tommy the Idiot was trying to give people a way to stand against laws that hurt them even if those laws don't technically violate their rights.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #9 - Sep 3rd, 2019 at 11:06am
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The Opposition wrote on Sep 3rd, 2019 at 10:35am:
Liberty can be redefined to be meaningless.

Sure, "progressives" think redefining things changes reality. Cheesy
  

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