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Reply #50 - Aug 31st, 2019 at 6:49pm
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Little Biq Man wrote on Aug 31st, 2019 at 5:02pm:
Jeff has a point in that organizations such as Fire Departments work best as community-based volunteer organizations.


That would work reasonably well because everyone has an interest in the goal of preventing houses from burning down. No one is paying a company for a promise.

The instant you're giving money now for a promise to be fulfilled later, the free market will make sure you're scammed out of that money because scammers are so much more profitable that they push legitimacy out of business in the time it takes for the scam to be revealed.

It's probably the only thing the free market fails at worse than any other system, but I lived through it in Hurricane Andrew, so I know it's a fact.
  

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Reply #51 - Aug 31st, 2019 at 7:08pm
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The Opposition wrote on Aug 31st, 2019 at 6:49pm:
The instant you're giving money now for a promise to be fulfilled later, the free market will make sure you're scammed out of that money because scammers are so much more profitable that they push legitimacy out of business in the time it takes for the scam to be revealed.
You're such a dork sometimes it could almost be imagined that you were human!  Grin Grin Grin
  

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Reply #52 - Aug 31st, 2019 at 7:10pm
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The Opposition wrote on Aug 31st, 2019 at 6:49pm:
It's probably the only thing the free market fails at worse than any other system, but I lived through it in Hurricane Andrew, so I know it's a fact.
Do tell!

You were one of the people about to make a free market transaction and buy a generator, but FEMA stepped in and stopped the sale?

Or was it water you wanted to buy, but weren't allowed to, because justice?
  

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Reply #53 - Aug 31st, 2019 at 9:12pm
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The Opposition wrote on Aug 31st, 2019 at 4:38pm:
My family - among many - lost a home to Hurricane Andrew and the insurance companies all just cut and ran.

The free market does not work well (or at all) for instances of money now buying a promise for later. This is one minor flaw and you should be happy that the free market works well for everything else.

Those same people who ran the insurance companies went out of business, relieved themselves of their losses, then just reincorporated as new insurance companies. Government can't stop this because government does not have a crystal ball to see who will keep a promise and who will break it. They now force insurance companies to have bigger coffers, but in the case of another huge disaster, they will just empty the coffers into their own pockets and go out of business, then reincorporate again. Nothing stops them or could stop them.

  

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Reply #54 - Sep 1st, 2019 at 6:51am
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The Opposition wrote on Aug 31st, 2019 at 9:12pm:
Which insurance company was it?

You know the insurance industry is highly regulated don't you? It doesn't actually qualify as a free market.
  

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Reply #55 - Sep 1st, 2019 at 2:37pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 1st, 2019 at 6:51am:
Which insurance company was it?

You know the insurance industry is highly regulated don't you? It doesn't actually qualify as a free market.


Explain which regulation was at fault for the insurance companies cutting and running. They all did it.

You'll have a hard time since the homeowners' insurance industry was basically unregulated before Hurricane Andrew.

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southeast/2017/08/24/462204.htm
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Before Andrew, insurers writing in Florida were not looking closely at their exposure in hurricane prone regions. It was the first cat 5 hurricane in Florida since the Labor Day Hurricane of 1935, a hiatus that gave everyone who lived there and insurance companies a false sense of security.

“I can’t tell you how many companies told me they were driving street by street to count how many homes they insured because they didn’t know – it was a free-for-all,” said Reynolds.
  

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Reply #56 - Sep 1st, 2019 at 3:46pm
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The Opposition wrote on Sep 1st, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Explain which regulation was at fault for the insurance companies cutting and running. They all did it.

You'll have a hard time since the homeowners' insurance industry was basically unregulated before Hurricane Andrew.

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southeast/2017/08/24/462204.htm
Which one specifically screwed your family?

If you bought really cheap homeowners insurance in a risky area in Florida, you got what you paid for. You should have bought a beach house and bought that government subsidized flood insurance...

My Mom lost her home in the last Hurricane to hit Florida, and her insurance company paid for it in full. She had good insurance.
  

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Reply #57 - Sep 26th, 2019 at 11:48am
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Former Dallas officer Amber Guyger booked on murder charge in Botham Jean slaying, then freed on bond.

On Sept. 5th 2018, A drunken off-duty Dallas police officer mistakenly entered a neighbor's apartment, thinking it was her own.  She shot and killed the resident, Botham Jean.

Being a law enforcement officer, Guyer enjoys Tier 3 privileges.

In Court, her lawyer,  Robert Rogers asserted Guyer's Tier 3 privilege:

"Amber Guyger felt she was in her apartment.  I don't think there is any dispute to that.  She was justified in her actions."

Had Guyer NOT been a police officer, her actions would clearly NOT be justified.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2018/11/30/former-dallas-officer-amber-gu...
  

Governments will always devise ways to deprive an honest man of his money or property, and claim that it's legal.
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Reply #58 - Sep 26th, 2019 at 2:57pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 26th, 2019 at 11:48am:
Former Dallas officer Amber Guyger booked on murder charge in Botham Jean slaying, then freed on bond.

On Sept. 5th 2018, A drunken off-duty Dallas police officer mistakenly entered a neighbor's apartment, thinking it was her own.  She shot and killed the resident, Botham Jean.

Being a law enforcement officer, Guyer enjoys Tier 3 privileges.

In Court, her lawyer,  Robert Rogers asserted Guyer's Tier 3 privilege:

"Amber Guyger felt she was in her apartment.  I don't think there is any dispute to that.  She was justified in her actions."

Had Guyer NOT been a police officer, her actions would clearly NOT be justified.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2018/11/30/former-dallas-officer-amber-gu...
She was drunk and made a very serious mistake. The charge probably should have been manslaughter.

Mixing guns and alcohol is always a bad idea, and mistakes you make when you're drunk are not justified.
  

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Reply #59 - Sep 28th, 2019 at 9:16am
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A good idea has been introduced in Congress!

Will they follow through?

https://reason.com/2019/09/27/can-a-federal-judge-sentence-you-for-a-crime-your-...

The lead in:

"Can a federal judge sentence you for a crime your jury says you didn't commit? In a sane world, the answer would be "no." If a prosecutor charges you with five crimes, and the jury finds you not guilty of four of them, the judge who then doles out the sentence should be able to consider only that one guilty verdict.

Yet federal judges can, and often do, use what's called "acquitted conduct"—charges for which a person has been found not guilty—when sentencing defendants for the crimes the jury says they did commit. It's a horrifying bug in the federal criminal justice system that doesn't get nearly enough attention. Until now."
  

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