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Reply #110 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 9:26am
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 8:29am:
If you can get past the slavery, another flaw in the Constitution is that it does not ban taxes for the purpose of redistributing wealth. 
Slavery is no longer a part of the Constitution except to be forbidden by it.

What the Constitution doesn't do is grant any authority to the federal government to redistribute wealth, and where there is no grant of power, there can be no taxation to support it.
  

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Reply #111 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 9:36am
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 8:29am:
If a congressman insists that we need three new aircraft carriers for our defense but in reality, he represents a district in which many of his constituents would profit by building those aircraft carriers, would building them be redistribution of wealth?
It may be a misuse of money appropriated by Congress for national defense, but it's not a redistribution of wealth.

The meaning or redistribution of wealth escapes you entirely, doesn't it?

Is paying a judge, or a clerk of the court a redistribution of wealth? Is paying your Representative a redistribution of wealth?

No.

Taxing you and giving the money to Tesla is a redistribution of wealth. Taxing you and giving the money to kaz is a redistribution of wealth.
  

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Reply #112 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 9:38am
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Jeff wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 9:26am:
Slavery is no longer a part of the Constitution except to be forbidden by it.

What the Constitution doesn't do is grant any authority to the federal government to redistribute wealth, and where there is no grant of power, there can be no taxation to support it.


There is no power granted to fund an Air Force either.  Is that unconstitutional?

Whether the constitution forbids redistribution of wealth or not, it is clearly happening in spades.  So the constitution is flawed in that it does not prevent redistribution of wealth.

It does not prevent conscription, either, so its prohibition of slavery does not work.






  

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Reply #113 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 9:39am
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kaz wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 9:04am:
I agree and disagree with this.  Certainly slavery was a flaw in the Founders, but the Constitution wasn't trying to define who are considered people and therefore citizens.  You could argue that the flaw in every writing at that time was that it didn't ban slavery.  The Constitution wasn't trying to solve that problem, just kick the can.  Again, that WAS a flaw in the Founders
It was actually a flaw in the slave state governments, which were controlled by slavers.

To say it was a "flaw in the Founders" is not correct.
  

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Reply #114 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 9:40am
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 9:38am:
There is no power granted to fund an Air Force either.  Is that unconstitutional?


No. Providing for the national defense is a duty assigned to the federal government.
  

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Reply #115 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 9:42am
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 9:38am:
Whether the constitution forbids redistribution of wealth or not, it is clearly happening in spades.  So the constitution is flawed in that it does not prevent redistribution of wealth.


As usual, you have the Constitution upside down. It is not necessary to forbid redistribution of wealth, it is only necessary to not grant such power to the government, which leads to the question, "Where in the Constitution do you find a grant of power to redistribute wealth?"
  

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Reply #116 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 9:44am
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 9:38am:
It does not prevent conscription, either, so its prohibition of slavery does not work.
Conscription in time of war in order to defend the nation is not slavery.
  

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Reply #117 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 10:02am
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Jeff wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 9:36am:
It may be a misuse of money appropriated by Congress for national defense, but it's not a redistribution of wealth.

The meaning or redistribution of wealth escapes you entirely, doesn't it?

Is paying a judge, or a clerk of the court a redistribution of wealth? Is paying your Representative a redistribution of wealth?

No.

Taxing you and giving the money to Tesla is a redistribution of wealth. Taxing you and giving the money to kaz is a redistribution of wealth.


You are using an extremely narrow definition of wealth as “money that is in no way earned, but outright given.”  I disagree with that definition, and so does every dictionary. 

Minimum wage is redistribution of wealth even though people have to work for the minimum wage, because it forces employers to pay more than the market would call for on pain of not being allowed to hire workers.  The fact that the workers have to work for the minimum wage means that they part of their wage that employers would pay them absent minimum wage laws is not redistribution, but the excess is.

Giving a billion dollar contract to a defense contractor for the purpose of buying votes, campaign contributions and bribes is redistribution of wealth because it take money out of the pockets of earners and gives it to others not for the benefit of the earners.  The fact that the contractors had their employees have to provide labor and and goods for the money doesn’t change that.


  

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Reply #118 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 10:08am
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 10:02am:
You are using an extremely narrow definition of wealth...
I am not.
  

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Reply #119 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 10:10am
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 10:02am:
Minimum wage is redistribution of wealth even though people have to work for the minimum wage, because it forces employers to pay more than the market would call for on pain of not being allowed to hire workers.

Aside from the fact that Congress is granted no power to set wages, I agree that minimum wage laws act to redistribute wealth.
  

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