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Must One be Rich to Be Libertarian?
Sep 6th, 2019 at 3:45pm
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No.

But, as with anything else, it helps.

A better way to put it would be that to be libertarian, one must have confidence in one's ability to support oneself.

Or to put it in the vernacular, you gotta be able to survive without gov'ment to really be libertarian.

Small wonder that those who depend on government for their livelihoods argue against reduced government.  Those whose only "job" is voting for politicians who support their "safety net," are never going to agree that those politicians should not be able to tax honest workers.

That safety net makes a nice hammock as Reagan pointed out.



  

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Re: Must One be Rich to Be Libertarian?
Reply #1 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 3:51pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 3:45pm:
Or to put it in the vernacular, you gotta be able to survive without gov'ment to really be libertarian.
Is that a brand new rule? I never heard it before...

Oppo, you keep up on all the current rules, right?

Is that a new rule, or what?


Edit: Did you and Indy ever have that mostly-naked-oiled-up-wrestling match?
He kicked your scrawny butt, didn't he?
  

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Reply #2 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 5:27pm
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Must One be Rich to Be Libertarian?

If you want to buy a home module for a SeaStead, yes. 

The smallest seastead home module will cost around $1.4 Million.   A "double" home module will be $2.8 million.

And then of course there is a connection/disconnection fee.  Fortunately, this fee is only paid once.  The connect/disconnect fee can range anywhere from $18k to $36k, depending on where the Seastead is located.
  

Governments will always devise ways to deprive an honest man of his money or property, and claim that it's legal.
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Reply #3 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 5:35pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 5:27pm:
If you want to buy a home module for a SeaStead, yes. 

The smallest seastead home module will cost around $1.4 Million.   A "double" home module will be $2.8 million.

And then of course there is a connection/disconnection fee.  Fortunately, this fee is only paid once.  The connect/disconnect fee can range anywhere from $18k to $36k, depending on where the Seastead is located.
I don't see how anyone could fail to see that as a potential libertarian Paradise! Smiley Smiley Smiley

Edit: Say, just how small is the smallest module?
  

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Reply #4 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 6:34pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 5:35pm:
I don't see how anyone could fail to see that as a potential libertarian Paradise! Smiley Smiley Smiley

Edit: Say, just how small is the smallest module?
50 feet x 50 feet (2500 sq. ft)  The home on each module can be built to the owners specs but structure must allow 3 foot easement on all sides, for obvious reasons.

There are even "quad" modules which are 4 single modules all hooked together (10k sq. ft).  These quad modules are insanely expensive - $5.6 Million.  Shocked
  

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Reply #5 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 8:20pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 5:27pm:
If you want to buy a home module for a SeaStead, yes. 

The smallest seastead home module will cost around $1.4 Million.   A "double" home module will be $2.8 million.

And a million a month for the association and another million for operational costs.

Oh, don't forget you will need to have a military (to defend from pirates and other countries) and a ministry of trade to unless you just plan to do a bunch of fishing and recycle your own piss.
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 9:13pm
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Fukk yes, you have to be rich and you have to have land or you can be one of those people who call themselves Libertarian and come here to argue about liberty and rights after they have clocked out from work and that is how you will die too.

You need to have money (lots of it), you need to have land and a way to protect that land.  Libertarians are not friendly people and always find ways that others are infringing on their liberties and rights.  So it is best for Libertarians not to have to meet each other in real life.

It is important to note that you also need to buy land in an area that does not have 3rd world immigrants or people who only had civilization forced upon them recently. Those people either don't respect individual property rights or do not have a concept of it.

A good example is people like us actually.  When we were kids and we saw a really hot car, we would go close to it and have a really good look but we would never touch it since it doesn't belong to us.  3rd worlders don't care about this.  Go to Mexico and see how those guys just kick back together and lean or sit on anyone's car (or property).  However, that is better than the blacks.  You can NEVER know what the blacks are thinking so it is best not have them nowhere near. you  Why do you think the cops always have their gun ready when they pull a black over regardless of the kind of car, neighborhood or time of day?
  
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Reply #7 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 10:26pm
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yamcha wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 8:20pm:
And a million a month for the association and another million for operational costs.


No - there is no HOA. There are no taxes.

yamcha wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 8:20pm:
Oh, don't forget you will need to have a military (to defend from pirates and other countries) and a ministry of trade to unless you just plan to do a bunch of fishing and recycle your own piss.

There is no military.   Each resident assumes they are Militia when their home module is connected to the main platform.  Militia will be encouraged to be heavily armed with full-auto carbines.

Pirates are screwed.

Other countries will not attack because the Seastead is of no strategic or tactical value. . . . Its basically a bunch of barges bolted together with houses sitting atop the barges.    What country would make fools of themselves attacking a floating apartment complex?   They would become the laughing stock of the international community.   Grin   Grin
  

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Re: Must One be Rich to Be Libertarian?
Reply #8 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 10:36pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 10:26pm:

No - there is no HOA. There are no taxes.

There is no military.   Each resident assumes they are Militia when their home module is connected to the main platform.  Militia will be encouraged to be heavily armed with full-auto carbines.

Pirates are screwed.

Machine guns won't do shit against pirates.
You will need gattling guns mounted on boats with a trained crew to operate them.  Some people will not want to be part of a militia.  You don't think there will be a lot of rich pacifists who would prefer to pay others to defend them?


Other countries will not attack because the Seastead is of no strategic or tactical value. . . . Its basically a bunch of barges bolted together with houses sitting atop the barges.    What country would make fools of themselves attacking a floating apartment complex?   They would become the laughing stock of the international community.   Grin   Grin

There is more wealth on SeaStead than many, many countries combined.  Try floating your apartment on the coast of Liberia.

No HOA?  So why don't you just float your own barge out there by yourself?

  
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Re: Must One be Rich to Be Libertarian?
Reply #9 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 10:44pm
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yamcha wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 10:36pm:
There is more wealth on SeaStead than many, many countries combined.  Try floating your apartment on the coast of Liberia
Who in the world would pay $1.4 million to live off the coast of Liberia? 

Grin   Grin   Grin
  

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