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Re: Must One be Rich to Be Libertarian?
Reply #110 - Sep 16th, 2019 at 11:16am
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Jeff wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 6:12pm:
I don't think trying to get people to work for you will make you rich, because I doubt anyone will want to work for you.

I must disagree.

The time we were the richest (had the most liquid assets and property) is when we owned a business and had employees.

Consider this:   if hiring people to work for you didn't have the potential of expanding the business and maximizing profits, nobody would hire anyone.   Grin
  

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Re: Must One be Rich to Be Libertarian?
Reply #111 - Sep 16th, 2019 at 1:37pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 16th, 2019 at 11:16am:
I must disagree.

The time we were the richest (had the most liquid assets and property) is when we owned a business and had employees.

Consider this:   if hiring people to work for you didn't have the potential of expanding the business and maximizing profits, nobody would hire anyone.   Grin
I was talking to Indy.
  

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Re: Must One be Rich to Be Libertarian?
Reply #112 - Sep 16th, 2019 at 1:46pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 16th, 2019 at 1:37pm:
I was talking to Indy.
Yes, you were - sorry.   Embarrassed

Industry wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 5:59pm:
Heres what I would like to know is there anybody rich enough to be a libertarian without having other people to work for them?
The time we were the richest (had the most liquid assets and property) is when we owned a business and had employees.

Consider this:   if hiring people to work for them didn't have the potential of expanding the business and maximizing profits, nobody would hire anyone.  Smiley
  

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Re: Must One be Rich to Be Libertarian?
Reply #113 - Sep 16th, 2019 at 2:11pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 16th, 2019 at 1:46pm:
The time we were the richest (had the most liquid assets and property) is when we owned a business and had employees.

Consider this:   if hiring people to work for them didn't have the potential of expanding the business and maximizing profits, nobody would hire anyone.  Smiley
It's true, but pretty much beside the point since you don't have to be rich to have libertarian beliefs.
  

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Re: Must One be Rich to Be Libertarian?
Reply #114 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 1:26pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 3:45pm:
No.

But, as with anything else, it helps.

A better way to put it would be that to be libertarian, one must have confidence in one's ability to support oneself.

Or to put it in the vernacular, you gotta be able to survive without gov'ment to really be libertarian.

Small wonder that those who depend on government for their livelihoods argue against reduced government.  Those whose only "job" is voting for politicians who support their "safety net," are never going to agree that those politicians should not be able to tax honest workers.

That safety net makes a nice hammock as Reagan pointed out.



 


Being rich is better in any system.

The poorer you are, the more government shackles you with dependency.  Libertarian principles are best for everyone other than the truly lazy who would rather be poor and jobless and live on government checks
  

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Re: Must One be Rich to Be Libertarian?
Reply #115 - Dec 3rd, 2019 at 6:35pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 1:26pm:
The poorer you are, the more government shackles you with dependency.
You have things confused again. People accept dependency, sometimes because they have to, other times because they want to.

Government force is not involved.

I worked a fairly long time for a company where many employees said the only reason they stayed was because of the golden handcuffs. They were worn voluntarily. Grin
  

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Re: Must One be Rich to Be Libertarian?
Reply #116 - Dec 3rd, 2019 at 9:08pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 1:26pm:
Being rich is better in any system.

The poorer you are, the more government shackles you with dependency.  Libertarian principles are best for everyone other than the truly lazy who would rather be poor and jobless and live on government checks


This is so true, kaz.  If you have read some of my posts, you will know that I do business 3rd world, in communist countries.  Communism does not even exist.  It is all about the money.  Money is the universal language.  The communists are actually the biggest capitalists I have ever met.  They are also the biggest libertarians.

Looky here:
http://www.libertariansforum.com/cgi-bin/freedom/YaBB.pl?num=1571190952/0#0
  
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Re: Must One be Rich to Be Libertarian?
Reply #117 - Dec 4th, 2019 at 8:09am
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yamcha wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 9:08pm:
The communists are actually the biggest capitalists I have ever met.  They are also the biggest libertarians.

Crony capitalists perhaps, but what communist dictatorship actually allows free markets?

As to communists being the "biggest libertarians", you're going to have to support that claim. Being libertarian is about lots more than just markets.
  

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Re: Must One be Rich to Be Libertarian?
Reply #118 - Dec 4th, 2019 at 8:43am
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yamcha wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 9:08pm:
The communists are actually the biggest capitalists I have ever met.  They are also the biggest libertarians


What a load of crap
  

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Re: Must One be Rich to Be Libertarian?
Reply #119 - Dec 4th, 2019 at 8:48am
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It is true.  They only pull out the comrade shit when they want to seize your property or business.  Otherwise,  people do whatever they want.  You have two cartons of cigs?  Then you are a businessman.

Show me one place in the 1st world that is even close to being libertarian.

Looky here:
http://www.libertariansforum.com/cgi-bin/freedom/YaBB.pl?num=1568876151/8#8
  
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