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Compulsory military training and service is against human rights
Sep 8th, 2019 at 9:58am
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Compulsory military training in high school and college followed by mandatory military service after graduation is against human rights because it forces a person to perform unwanted and dangerous labor against their will which is against the right to liberty. This is practiced in supposedly democratic countries like South Korea, Singapore, Israel, and others in the list below:

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription#By_country

This is why many people from these countries immigrate to countries that do not have mandatory military training and service to avoid such an extreme violation of human rights.
  
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Reply #1 - Sep 8th, 2019 at 10:23am
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Agreed.

Your point is so obvious and clear that no one who believes otherwise should even want to post on a libertarian forum.
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 8th, 2019 at 10:47am
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Little Biq Man wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 10:23am:
Agreed.

Your point is so obvious and clear that no one who believes otherwise should even want to post on a libertarian forum.


Great reply, thank you.
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 8th, 2019 at 12:15pm
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N567 wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 9:58am:
Compulsory military training in high school and college followed by mandatory military service after graduation is against human rights
But it kept Switzerland free for a long time... I don't know if they still do it, but I don't recall hearing about lots of people leaving Switzerland.

I'm pretty sure Israel does that too, out of necessity.

Both of those countries have a very good record for respecting human rights.
  

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Jeff wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 12:15pm:
But it kept Switzerland free for a long time... I don't know if they still do it, but I don't recall hearing about lots of people leaving Switzerland.

I'm pretty sure Israel does that too, out of necessity.

Both of those countries have a very good record for respecting human rights.


How is Switzerland "free" if people can be taken out of their lives, placed in detention camps, forced to train for combat and sent to their deaths?

  
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Reply #5 - Sep 8th, 2019 at 12:35pm
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Little Biq Man wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 12:29pm:
How is Switzerland "free" ...
Free from being invaded by barbarian nations... And they haven't had to be "sent to their deaths" because nobody ever invaded them. Smiley
  

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Jeff wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 12:35pm:
Free from being invaded by barbarian nations... And they haven't had to be "sent to their deaths" because nobody ever invaded them. Smiley


You are confusing the word "free" with the word "safe."

The Nazis did not invade because Switzerland gave them so much financial assistance.  It should have been called "Vichy Switzerland" in those days.


  
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Reply #7 - Sep 8th, 2019 at 12:43pm
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Little Biq Man wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 12:40pm:
You are confusing the word "free" with the word "safe."
Countries that are conquered by barbarians usually lose their freedom.

Safe from being killed by invaders, safe from being made slaves, yes, that's safety, but the purpose of that safety is to remain free.

Slaves were pretty safe... As long as they stayed with their owner and kept working.
  

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Little Biq Man wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 12:40pm:
The Nazis did not invade because Switzerland gave them so much financial assistance.  It should have been called "Vichy Switzerland" in those days.


This is interesting. Where did you learn this? Tell me more, thanks.
  

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Reply #9 - Sep 8th, 2019 at 5:57pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 12:43pm:
Countries that are conquered by barbarians usually lose their freedom.

Safe from being killed by invaders, safe from being made slaves, yes, that's safety, but the purpose of that safety is to remain free.

Slaves were pretty safe... As long as they stayed with their owner and kept working.


Yes, I realize that safe slavery is your vision of a libertarian classical liberal society.


  
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