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Re: Compulsory military training and service is against human rights
Reply #10 - Sep 8th, 2019 at 6:30pm
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Little Biq Man wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 5:57pm:
Yes, I realize that safe slavery is your vision of a libertarian classical liberal society.


You are  a class 'A' jerk.
  

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Reply #11 - Sep 8th, 2019 at 6:38pm
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Little Biq Man wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 5:57pm:
Yes, I realize that safe slavery is your vision of a libertarian classical liberal society.


Libertarians always want their safety over others' freedom, and their freedom over others' safety.

When they want to sacrifice the freedom of others, it will be a good idea lest the world implode and worms burrow up through our feet and eat out our brains, and when they want to sacrifice the safety of others, they'll just quote the founders.

I'd like to ask you a very serious question about homeostasis.

Who do you think has the greater need for homeostasis: A libertarian who cries foul if the government takes 1¢ off him in taxes, or a statist who just takes it in stride if the State confiscates his house and everything he owns?

Just tell me who you think is the exotic rainforest frog and who's the common brown rat in this scenario.

There will only be one follow-up question.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #12 - Sep 8th, 2019 at 6:42pm
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The Opposition wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 6:38pm:
Libertarians always want their safety over others' freedom, and their freedom over others' safety.

No matter how may times you tell this lie, no matter how many variations, it's still a lie.

Edit: Do you feel somehow compelled to discredit yourself?

That's an indicator of your sociopathy... nothing for you to worry about. Smiley
  

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Reply #13 - Sep 8th, 2019 at 6:46pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 6:42pm:
No matter how may times you tell this lie, no matter how many variations, it's still a lie.


Yet I can back it up with quotes if anyone wants them.

No tiger for me, because risk.

Guns and guns and guns for you, because freedom.

Quotes provided upon request, but only if you agree to stop calling me a liar when I give them to you.
  

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Reply #14 - Sep 8th, 2019 at 6:48pm
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The Opposition wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 6:46pm:
Yet I can back it up with quotes if anyone wants them.

Nobody does. Nobody has for a long time now.

If you quit lying for a year or so, I'll start saying "The worm used to be a terrible liar, until it found God.

Now, the Worm never lies."
  

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Reply #15 - Sep 8th, 2019 at 6:50pm
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The Opposition wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 6:46pm:
Quotes provided upon request, but only if you agree to stop calling me a liar when I give them to you.

  

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Reply #16 - Sep 8th, 2019 at 6:52pm
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The Opposition wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 6:50pm:
Do you think you can stop lying for a year or two?
  

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Reply #17 - Sep 8th, 2019 at 7:39pm
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The Opposition wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 6:38pm:
Libertarians always want their safety over others' freedom, and their freedom over others' safety.

When they want to sacrifice the freedom of others, it will be a good idea lest the world implode and worms burrow up through our feet and eat out our brains, and when they want to sacrifice the safety of others, they'll just quote the founders.

I'd like to ask you a very serious question about homeostasis.

Who do you think has the greater need for homeostasis: A libertarian who cries foul if the government takes 1¢ off him in taxes, or a statist who just takes it in stride if the State confiscates his house and everything he owns?

Just tell me who you think is the exotic rainforest frog and who's the common brown rat in this scenario.

There will only be one follow-up question.


I'm afraid you are much too clever for me, Opposition. 

I looked up "homeostasis" but I'm not sure how it applies to government.  Is the need for homeostasis a good thing or a bad thing?

Is the rainforest flog the superior animal to emulate even though it is a reptile and the rat a more intelligent mammal?

EDIT:  Wait, is the rat superior because it survives and multiplies while the exotic rainforest frog is endangered?

Sorry I'm being so dense.  I'm not nearly as smart as LBM.  I bet he could knock your question out of the park.

  
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Reply #18 - Sep 8th, 2019 at 8:40pm
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Little Biq Man wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 7:39pm:
I looked up "homeostasis" but I'm not sure how it applies to government.


It doesn't. It applies to organisms. Both libertarians and statists are organisms, however.

Little Biq Man wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 7:39pm:
I bet [Little Big Man] could knock your question out of the park.


I'll just wait 'til he gets back, then. Until then, just please to understand that I'm not being antagonistic on purpose. I want nothing more than to accept every libertarian belief as absolute truth, and this is just me trying.
  

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Re: Compulsory military training and service is against human rights
Reply #19 - Sep 9th, 2019 at 12:29am
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Jeff wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 12:15pm:
But it kept Switzerland free for a long time... I don't know if they still do it, but I don't recall hearing about lots of people leaving Switzerland.

I'm pretty sure Israel does that too, out of necessity.

Both of those countries have a very good record for respecting human rights.


Richard Nixon ended the draft in 1973 because the USA was switching to a policy of nuclear deterrence to reduce the number of military personnel needed in the event of a war. A major innovation developed during this time period is the MIRV, or Multiple Independently Targetable Reentry Vehicle which is an ICBM capable of launching multiple warheads towards multiple targets simultaneously. The need for military personnel was also further reduced with the introduction of drones in 1999.

The USA also invented many other labor saving weapons in the latter part of the 20th century and early 21st century such as:

Small Arms to Act as a Force Multiplier for Infantry and Reduce Needed Military Personnel to Complete a Mission:

Thermal Imaging
Electronic Scope w/ Night Vision and Thermal Imaging
Electronic Range Finder w/ Night Vision and Thermal Imaging
Underwater Firearms
Plastic Rifle Butt
Plastic Handgrip
Plastic Barrel Grip
Electronic Scope Mount
Shock Absorbing Rifle Butt
Anti-Tank Rocket-Propelled Grenade Launcher
Grenade Launcher
Rifle Mounted Grenade Launcher
Hand Cranked Multiple Grenade Launcher
Automatic Multiple Grenade Launcher
Kevlar Helmet
Kevlar Vest
Pepper Spray
Taser Stick
Taser Gun
Taser Bullet
CornerShot
Electronic Stacked Munitions
Remote Laser Detonator

Armored Vehicles to Act as a Force Multiplier for Infantry and Reduce Needed Military Personnel to Complete a Mission:

Armored Personnel Carrier
Gas Turbine Powered Tank
Humvee
Riptide
Paddletrack

Improved Air Transport to Make Deployments and Retreats Less Laborious:

Tilt-Rotor Helicopter

Improved Telecommunications to Make Sending Information Less Laborious:

Radar Plane
Transistor Walkie-Talkie

Weapons of Mass Destruction to Reduce the Use of Military Personnel:

Atomic Bomb
Boosted Fission Bomb
Radioactive Bomb
Hydrogen Bomb
Biocides (Agent Orange)
Thermobaric Bomb
Thermobaric Shell
Thermobaric Warhead
Weaponized Cloud Seeding
Multiple Independently Targetable Reentry Vehicle
Neutron Bomb

Guided Weapons to Increase Accuracy and Reduce the Number of Artillery and Personnel Operating the Artillery:

Jet Bomber
Supersonic Fighter Jet
Missile Cruiser
Missile Destroyer
Missile Boat
Nuclear Hunter-Killer Sub
Nuclear Missile Sub
Nuclear Missile Cruiser
Nuclear Aircraft Carrier
Air-Sea Missile
Anti-Submarine Missile
Nuclear Depth Bomb
Surface Effect Ship
Transistor Electronic Missile Guidance Systems
Air-Air Missile
Heat Seeking Missile
Radar Guided Missile
Laser Guided Missile
All Weather Interceptor Package
Attack Helicopter
Fin Guided Shell
Rocket Assisted Shell
Aegis Multiple Target Tracking System
Anti-Missile Satellite
Nuclear Satellite
Linear Induction Cannon
Laser Cannon
Microwave Stun Gun
Microwave Anti-Aircraft Gun
Littoral Combat Jet Ship
Multirole Fighter
Attack Gyrodyne

Improved Fortification to Minimize Loss of Personnel During the Event of a War:

Nuclear Powered Underground Base

Stealth Weapons to Enable a Nuclear Strike Without Being Caught:

Stealth Helicopter
Stealth Fighter
Stealth Bomber
Stealth Ship

Drones to Automate Warfare and Reduce the Number of Military Personnel:

Wireless Radar
UUV
UAV
Bomb Disposal Robot
Tank Drone
MRLS Drone
Fighter Drone
Attack Helicopter Drone
  
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