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Sep 10th, 2019 at 8:14pm
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Re: German Libertarian Defies German Gun Laws
Reply #1 - Sep 11th, 2019 at 7:39am
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I read just this morning that Germans are buying lots of guns...

So are Americans:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/gun-sales-surge-15-driven-...

And in Texas, where open carry is legal (as it is everywhere else), people are testing Walmart:

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/460652-gun-rights-activists-test-walmart-reque...

But, the news is not all good:

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/new-jersey-will-refuse-to-do-business-with-b...

Is what New Jersey's governor threatening to do how "democracy" is supposed to work? By Executive Orders used to "nudge" private businesses into not doing legal things they want to do?
  

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Re: German Libertarian Defies German Gun Laws
Reply #2 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 4:18pm
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The guns Germans are buying are blanks - they have to get a license to conceal carry blank guns ! ... so it's quite pathetic.
Even licensed weapon owners cant carry in any shape or form.

The laws are ridiculously restrictive - you have to be in a shooting club, as self-defence doesnt qualify as a "justification to own a gun" ...
So at least one year a member at a shooting club before you can apply for a license to own a gun ... you have to stay an active member the whole time ... you have to buy two expensive safes to keep gun and ammunition apart ... And if you don't: well there are unannounced visits from some officials that will check, if you maybe left one bullet in the gun ... then it's gone. Plus they will ask your wife, if she knows where the key to the safe is ... if she knows ... the gun is gone!
The last years weapon owners had to get "higher quality" safes, as the safety wasnt considered high enough by new legislators ... so spending another thousands of Euros.
It's an Orwellian nightmare - especially as now, writing the wrong thing on a closed facebook group can make you "unfit to own a license" ...

So if the few libertarians in Germany wanted to own a firearm they probably would try to get it illegally. Which is next to impossible if you are not  not a criminal and know no one who is  - no one is trusting anybody and even criminals wouldnt sell you anything because they think you are a cop.

Austria used to be somewhat of a mekka for people in Germany to get a gun (rifle ammunition is free to buy, bolt action and shot guns very loosly regulated- also: Glock lowers are freely available there ...)   
But even if an Austrian gun shop sells a German a Glock lower (which they more and more refrain from, because German law enforcement is pressuring them not to) every European is stuck without a barrel, slide or any upper part, as they are regulated and considered a gun (pressure bearing parts)... That's why 3d printing is somehow a dead end for Europeans.
I always wondered why no one in the US went on the darknet and sold barrels and slides - we always see them on ebay in the US - but of course they are not officially shipped to Europe ...

So that's the long story, why Germans buy blank guns to "protect" themselves ...

Jeff wrote on Sep 11th, 2019 at 7:39am:
I read just this morning that Germans are buying lots of guns...

So are Americans:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/gun-sales-surge-15-driven-...

And in Texas, where open carry is legal (as it is everywhere else), people are testing Walmart:

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/460652-gun-rights-activists-test-walmart-reque...

But, the news is not all good:

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/new-jersey-will-refuse-to-do-business-with-b...

Is what New Jersey's governor threatening to do how "democracy" is supposed to work? By Executive Orders used to "nudge" private businesses into not doing legal things they want to do?

  
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Re: German Libertarian Defies German Gun Laws
Reply #3 - Sep 23rd, 2019 at 5:22pm
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Bastiat wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 4:18pm:
The guns Germans are buying are blanks...
What exactly is a "
blank" gun?
  

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Reply #4 - Sep 24th, 2019 at 10:25am
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Jeff wrote on Sep 23rd, 2019 at 5:22pm:
What exactly is a "
blank" gun?


Guns that only shoot blank ammunition - so no bullet in the cartridge. Just a loud bang. The barrel is blocked and the structure of the gun is weakened, so you cant "re-activate" it to shoot live ammunition.
  
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Reply #5 - Sep 24th, 2019 at 1:37pm
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Bastiat wrote on Sep 24th, 2019 at 10:25am:
Guns that only shoot blank ammunition - so no bullet in the cartridge. Just a loud bang. The barrel is blocked and the structure of the gun is weakened, so you cant "re-activate" it to shoot live ammunition.
Blank cartridges can be shot in any gun, and they work exactly the same as cartridges loaded with bullets. You can't block the barrel, but they can be made to only accept blank cartridges.

They're still potentially dangerous-

https://io9.gizmodo.com/why-a-gun-loaded-with-blanks-can-still-kill-you-5972313

I don't think that's what the Germans are buying.

Anyway:

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/germany.php
  

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Re: German Libertarian Defies German Gun Laws
Reply #6 - Sep 24th, 2019 at 4:52pm
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Yes, they dont block the barrel off - they put a steal rod into it. That the blast is still dangerous is known to the owners.

Just now, German gun laws will get even more strict ...
Crossbows should now be treated exactly as firearms - meaning you can only have one, if you are in a shooting club ...
It's extremly depressing and many try to come up with a plan, who to get armed ... The lucky ones have loyal friends in the US ...
Jeff wrote on Sep 24th, 2019 at 1:37pm:
Blank cartridges can be shot in any gun, and they work exactly the same as cartridges loaded with bullets. You can't block the barrel, but they can be made to only accept blank cartridges.

They're still potentially dangerous-

https://io9.gizmodo.com/why-a-gun-loaded-with-blanks-can-still-kill-you-5972313

I don't think that's what the Germans are buying.

Anyway:

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/germany.php

  
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Reply #7 - Sep 24th, 2019 at 5:34pm
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Bastiat wrote on Sep 24th, 2019 at 4:52pm:
Yes, they dont block the barrel off - they put a steal rod into it. That the blast is still dangerous is known to the owners.


Owners of regular guns know they are dangerous too.
  

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Reply #8 - Sep 24th, 2019 at 5:38pm
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Bastiat wrote on Sep 24th, 2019 at 4:52pm:
German gun laws will get even more strict ...
Crossbows should now be treated exactly as firearms - meaning you can only have one, if you are in a shooting club ...

I belong to a shooting club, but they won't allow any .50 BMGs or anything that requires a Class III license. I'm pretty sure you need a Class III license to own a potato gun in the U.S. It's a destructive device. Potentially anyway.
  

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Re: German Libertarian Defies German Gun Laws
Reply #9 - Sep 24th, 2019 at 5:41pm
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Bastiat wrote on Sep 24th, 2019 at 4:52pm:
It's extremly depressing and many try to come up with a plan, who to get armed ... The lucky ones have loyal friends in the US ...
In Germany, the security firms who protect the rich and famous are permitted to carry arms.
So are agents of the government.

Common working folk can't really be trusted they say...

It's the same (really, really) old story.
  

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