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Re: Taxation As A Weapon
Reply #20 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 7:32pm
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Industry wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 7:23pm:
He will not answer a question go look at the $120,000 in bank account thread.
What question?

What do you think about Indirect taxes that are not uniform?
  

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Reply #21 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 7:41pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 7:21pm:
Your idea is bad. How many times do you want me to tell you that?


Oh, you said the idea of a limit is a bad idea?  Sorry, I should have read the whole thing before I jumped in you y'all's conversation.

Well, then you did answer the question, you just didn't fill in the blanks.  Here, I'll fix it:

Jeff said without saying:
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XX Amendment to the Constitution

In peacetime, no person shall be required to pay more than _100____ percent of his income, nor more than _100____ percent of his accumulated wealth.  Nor shall those limits be exceeded in wartime, except in a manner prescribed by law.


I guess you'd want to also throw in something about no limits on future income and wealth and no limits on taxing our grandkids by borrowing money also.

But, you're right.  No need for an amendment like that since congress clearly thinks that is already in the constitution and the courts have never disputed that.

  
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Reply #22 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 8:39am
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Little Biq Man wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 7:41pm:
Oh, you said the idea of a limit is a bad idea?
The idea of a percentage limit or a limit on the amount is a bad idea.

Using the existing Constitutional limits is essential.
  

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Re: Taxation As A Weapon
Reply #23 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 8:47am
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Jeff wrote on Sep 14th, 2019 at 8:39am:
The idea of a percentage limit or a limit on the amount is a bad idea. [quote]

So when it gets to one  hundred percent, you're fine with that?

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Using the existing Constitutional limits is essential.


Oh, they're working?

  
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Reply #24 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 9:13am
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Little Biq Man wrote on Sep 14th, 2019 at 8:47am:
Oh, they're working?

No, they are being ignored. Things you don't use don't "work".
  

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Reply #25 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 10:43am
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Jeff wrote on Sep 14th, 2019 at 9:13am:
No, they are being ignored.


If they can just be ignored, then they are not limits.

Limits on government power limit what government can do. 

That's what the word means.

You may have confused the word "limit" with the word "suggestion."




  
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Reply #26 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 12:28pm
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Little Biq Man wrote on Sep 14th, 2019 at 10:43am:
If they can just be ignored, then they are not limits.

Limits on government power limit what government can do. 

That's what the word means.

You may have confused the word "limit" with the word "suggestion."




People ignore all sorts of laws. Some people even steal, although it's widely known to be illegal.

The Constitution is not "suggestions", it's the law that governs our federal government.

There's a name for people who ignore the law, can you think of it?

Edit: You keep suggesting that a "limit" be placed on taxation, something like 5-10%? That, in your thinking, would also be just a "suggestion", right?
  

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Reply #27 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 1:15pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 14th, 2019 at 12:28pm:
People ignore all sorts of laws. Some people even steal, although it's widely known to be illegal.

The Constitution is not "suggestions", it's the law that governs our federal government.

There's a name for people who ignore the law, can you think of it?


If you mean "criminals," doesn't that require conviction in court?  I've never heard of a politician being prosecuted for ignoring the constitution.  The constitution does not call for any such prosecution, which is one of its many flaws.

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Edit: You keep suggesting that a "limit" be placed on taxation, something like 5-10%? That, in your thinking, would also be just a "suggestion", right?


If it were just another constitutional amendment to be as ignored as the 2nd amendment is, sure.

I just wanted to know whether you support limits on taxation or support unlimited taxation.

Those are the only options.
  
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Reply #28 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 1:19pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 14th, 2019 at 12:28pm:
You keep suggesting that a "limit" be placed on taxation, something like 5-10%? That, in your thinking, would also be just a "suggestion", right?


It wouldn't be a suggestion if it had a means of enforcement.

Personally, I would suggest a grievance process that ultimately ends with the aggrieved having the right to shoot the politician if the process isn't followed.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Taxation As A Weapon
Reply #29 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 1:28pm
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The Opposition wrote on Sep 14th, 2019 at 1:19pm:
It wouldn't be a suggestion if it had a means of enforcement.

Personally, I would suggest a grievance process that ultimately ends with the aggrieved having the right to shoot the politician if the process isn't followed.

How about Public hanging?   

Some on this (and other) forum have expressed interest in bringing back public hangings.  They always sent a powerful message.

Tar & feathering lost its appeal a long time ago.

On a seastead, the politician would be put in a small boat with 5 day's provisions, and set adrift.
  

Governments will always devise ways to deprive an honest man of his money or property, and claim that it's legal.
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