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Reply #30 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 3:22pm
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Little Biq Man wrote on Sep 14th, 2019 at 1:15pm:
If you mean "criminals," doesn't that require conviction in court?
Scofflaw would work, that's what I was thinking of...
  

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Reply #31 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 3:24pm
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Little Biq Man wrote on Sep 14th, 2019 at 1:15pm:
I've never heard of a politician being prosecuted for ignoring the constitution.  The constitution does not call for any such prosecution, which is one of its many flaws.



The Constitution allows that such people can be impeached and removed from office. That has happened. Not nearly often enough.
  

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Reply #32 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 3:25pm
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Little Biq Man wrote on Sep 14th, 2019 at 1:15pm:
I just wanted to know whether you support limits on taxation or support unlimited taxation.

Those are the only options.
I support following the existing Constitutional limitations on the taxing power.

I also support limiting spending to actual enumerated powers and a narrow reading of the commerce and general welfare clauses. Smiley
  

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Reply #33 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 4:32pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 14th, 2019 at 3:25pm:
I support following the existing Constitutional limitations on the taxing power.


So you only like limits that are ignored?

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I also support limiting spending to actual enumerated powers and a narrow reading of the commerce and general welfare clauses. Smiley


Where in the constitution does it say, "By the way, be sure to read all this 'narrowly?'"
  
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Reply #34 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 5:07pm
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Little Biq Man wrote on Sep 14th, 2019 at 4:32pm:
So you only like limits that are ignored?


Where in the constitution does it say, "By the way, be sure to read all this 'narrowly?'"
Piss off.
  

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Reply #35 - Sep 15th, 2019 at 9:05am
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Jeff wrote on Sep 14th, 2019 at 3:25pm:
I support following the existing Constitutional limitations on the taxing power.

I also support limiting spending to actual enumerated powers and a narrow reading of the commerce and general welfare clauses. Smiley


Seriously, how can you read a phrase with the word "general" in it narrowly?

Do you know what the word "general" means?  It is actually an antonym of "narrow."


  
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Reply #36 - Sep 15th, 2019 at 9:41am
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Little Biq Man wrote on Sep 15th, 2019 at 9:05am:
Seriously, how can you read a phrase with the word "general" in it narrowly?


It's obvious. The grant of power is to legislate for things that help everybody in the nation in general. The welfare of everybody.

It's the opposite of "specific". No power is granted to help specific individuals, or specific groups, including specific corporations.

Standard weights and measures for example, are helpful to everybody in general.

Subsidies to Tesla help Tesla in specific to sell cars that almost no one would buy otherwise.
  

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Reply #37 - Sep 15th, 2019 at 9:48am
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Jeff wrote on Sep 15th, 2019 at 9:41am:
It's obvious. The grant of power is to legislate for things that help everybody in the nation in general. The welfare of everybody.

It's the opposite of "specific". No power is granted to help specific individuals, or specific groups, including specific corporations.

Standard weights and measures for example, are helpful to everybody in general.

Subsidies to Tesla help Tesla in specific to sell cars that almost no one would buy otherwise.


What about my example of the rainbow flag to encourage tolerance and reduce police brutality?  That would help everyone wouldn't it?

Even if you disagree (you think we need more police brutality), that would be the purpose and the constitution grants the power to decide what is necessary and proper to congress.


  
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Reply #38 - Sep 15th, 2019 at 2:23pm
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Little Biq Man wrote on Sep 15th, 2019 at 9:48am:
What about my example of the rainbow flag to encourage tolerance and reduce police brutality?  That would help everyone wouldn't it?

Even if you disagree (you think we need more police brutality), that would be the purpose and the constitution grants the power to decide what is necessary and proper to congress.


You think it will help?

Laws necessary and proper to carry out actual enumerated powers is what it's talking about.

Spending revenue in ways that will benefit everyone, as long as the spending relates to an enumerated power.

The whole purpose of the Constitution was to create a system of government that would be limited. American's experience with a Parliament that had almost unlimited power soured them on that sort of government.

Anyway, even if seeing rainbow flags would make the few police who treat people brutally somehow stop doing that (which it won't), no one else will benefit.

Arresting police and putting them in jail for treating people brutally will help a few people in the future by making it less likely that they will be brutalized by the few police who do such things.

It might even help an entire community (that's a stretch, since most people in the community don't break laws and/or run from the police), but it won't help communities that don't have any brutal police.

  

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Reply #39 - Sep 15th, 2019 at 2:25pm
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Little Biq Man wrote on Sep 15th, 2019 at 9:48am:
Even if you disagree (you think we need more police brutality)...
You can be such a jerkwad. Smiley

Are you actually contending that anyone who doesn't support having the federal government buy a bunch of rainbow flags must want more police brutality? Cheesy
  

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