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Reply #60 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 3:48pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 2nd, 2019 at 3:40pm:
So now you think that amendments don't mean what they say.  Of course you don't.
The 16th Amendment says exactly what it needed to say to do an end run around the Pollock decision. That was it's only purpose and its only effect, to once again allow the taxation of incomes derived from the use of property without apportionment.

It has been interpreted too broadly, so broadly in fact, that it contradicts another part of the Constitution, which is a dead giveaway that it's being interpreted wrongly.

Care to try to describe how a tax on wages and salaries is Indirect? No, of course you don't.


  

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Reply #61 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 4:00pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 2nd, 2019 at 3:48pm:
The 16th Amendment says exactly what it needed to say to do an end run around the Pollock decision. That was it's only purpose and its only effect, to once again allow the taxation of incomes derived from the use of property without apportionment.

It has been interpreted too broadly, so broadly in fact, that it contradicts another part of the Constitution, which is a dead giveaway that it's being interpreted wrongly.

Care to try to describe how a tax on wages and salaries is Indirect? No, of course you don't.




"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

Jeff:  When it says income "from whatever source derived," it means it's only referring to rent from property, not any other income.  And when they said "without apportionment," they meant it  needs to be apportioned.

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Reply #62 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 4:07pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 2nd, 2019 at 4:00pm:
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

Right, that's exactly what it needed to say to restore the taxation of incomes derived from the use of property to the category of Indirect taxation.

You'll never understand it if you read it in isolation from the rest of the Constitution and from the S.Ct. case that forced it's adoption.

But you don't want to understand it, do you? You want to continue allowing wages and salaries to be taxed without apportionment, as if they were "incomes", rather than the bread earned by the labor of working people.
  

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Reply #63 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 4:44pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 2nd, 2019 at 4:07pm:
You want to continue allowing wages and salaries to be taxed without apportionment


This is what a stupid fvck wad you are.  I am not like you, Jeff.  Whether I can read what something says or not is not dependent on whether I agree with it.  This is how flat out stupid you are.

Jeff:  You READ that, kaz.  OMG, that means you AGREE with it!!!!

No, it doesn't
  

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Reply #64 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 5:36pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 2nd, 2019 at 4:44pm:
This is what a stupid fvck wad you are.  I am not like you, Jeff.  Whether I can read what something says or not is not dependent on whether I agree with it.  This is how flat out stupid you are.

Jeff:  You READ that, kaz.  OMG, that means you AGREE with it!!!!

No, it doesn't
Your contention seems to be that the 16th Amendment created an unlimited power to tax.

My contention is that that cannot be as long as there are limits on taxation remaining in the Constitution.

I'll defend my contention, and my defense is coherent with the tenor of the Declaration, the Preamble, and the body of the Constitution.

Your contention is not, which is why you will be unable to defend it rationally.

Or perhaps it's just beyond you. That seems quite possible. Smiley
  

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Reply #65 - Dec 3rd, 2019 at 8:02am
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How about this, the IRS gave antifa tax exempt status:

https://national-justice.com/sites/default/files/finalletter_47-2026442_onepeopl...
  

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Reply #66 - Dec 3rd, 2019 at 8:19am
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Jeff wrote on Dec 2nd, 2019 at 5:36pm:
Your contention seems to be that the 16th Amendment created an unlimited power to tax


It gave the unlimited power to tax incomes, stupid fvck.  You really can't read, can you, hillbilly?  You're not just pretending?  Maybe dropping out in the third grade wasn't your best move.  I know, hindsight is always 20/20 ...

  

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Reply #67 - Dec 3rd, 2019 at 8:21am
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Jeff wrote on Dec 2nd, 2019 at 5:36pm:
My contention is that that cannot be as long as there are limits on taxation remaining in the Constitution.

I'll defend my contention, and my defense is coherent with the tenor of the Declaration, the Preamble, and the body of the Constitution.

Your contention is not, which is why you will be unable to defend it rationally.

Or perhaps it's just beyond you. That seems quite possible. Smiley


Yes, you're stupid and you'll argue it doesn't say what it says endlessly
  

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Reply #68 - Dec 3rd, 2019 at 12:06pm
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kaz wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 8:19am:
It gave the unlimited power to tax incomes,
Your contention is that the 16th Amendment removed the rule of uniformity for Indirect taxes from the Constitution?

That is simply wrong.

Do you want to have a go at explaining your belief that a tax laid on wages and salaries is an Indirect tax?
  

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Reply #69 - Dec 3rd, 2019 at 12:10pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 3rd, 2019 at 12:06pm:
Do you want to have a go at explaining your belief that a tax laid on wages and salaries is an Indirect tax?


Never said that, it was the voices in your head
  

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