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Re: How About Actually Forming "A Well-Regulated Militia"
Reply #10 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 5:18pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 5:12pm:
It's vitally important that Civilian Militias be completely separated and fully independent from the government:

Why? So they will be like the incompetent posers in our local militia?

They won't have a chance of resisting anything.

Most residents of the community might shoot at them. I might myself... Depends on what they are doing.

Well regulated State Militias under State control is what were urged. Well armed, well trained and ready to resist federal encroachments on the rights of citizens..

Edit: In fact, I think Madison promised that the structure and detail of the Constitution would make it possible to do that, as long as people paid attention and kept governments under control.
  

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Re: How About Actually Forming "A Well-Regulated Militia"
Reply #11 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 5:25pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 5:18pm:
Why? So they will be like the incompetent posers in our local militia?

They won't have a chance of resisting anything.

Most residents of the community might shoot at them. I might myself... Depends on what they are doing.

Well regulated State Militias under State control is what were urged. Well armed, well trained and ready to resist federal encroachments on the rights of citizens..
Militia men are not conscripts.  They are 100% volunteers.  They are civilians.   We don't want the same chain of command that military forces have.   We'll have sergeants and majors, but they will be OUR OWN sergeants and majors - not the US military's.
  

Governments will always devise ways to deprive an honest man of his money or property, and claim that it's legal.
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Re: How About Actually Forming "A Well-Regulated Militia"
Reply #12 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 5:34pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 5:25pm:
Militia men are not conscripts.  They are 100% volunteers.  They are civilians.
Yes they are volunteers, unless some State institutes a draft.

No, they are not civilians when the are acting as State Militia Men/Women.
  

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Re: How About Actually Forming "A Well-Regulated Militia"
Reply #13 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 5:48pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 5:34pm:
Yes they are volunteers, unless some State institutes a draft.

No, they are not civilians when the are acting as State Militia Men/Women.
The California state militia consists of "all persons liable to service in the militia, but NOT members of the National Guard, the State Military Reserve, or the Naval Militia."

Our militia is completely independent of government influence.  As it should be.
  

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Re: How About Actually Forming "A Well-Regulated Militia"
Reply #14 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 5:57pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 5:48pm:
The California state militia consists of "all persons liable to service in the militia"...

Our militia is completely independent of government influence.
How many of them are overseas right now? Where? Who sent them?
  

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Re: How About Actually Forming "A Well-Regulated Militia"
Reply #15 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 6:46pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 5:34pm:
Yes they are volunteers, unless some State institutes a draft.

No, they are not civilians when the are acting as State Militia Men/Women.


That's an interesting thought.

Are states able to institute a draft under our constitution?

Theoretically, they can force people to serve on juries so I don't see why not.

Would it have to be only for the militia or could it be for some other emergency such as a natural disaster or man-caused disaster?

  
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Re: How About Actually Forming "A Well-Regulated Militia"
Reply #16 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 6:52pm
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Little Biq Man wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 6:46pm:
Are states able to institute a draft under our constitution?


Check your state's constitution.

Probably.

In any case, most all of our governments now claim unlimited power.
  

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Re: How About Actually Forming "A Well-Regulated Militia"
Reply #17 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 6:55pm
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Little Biq Man wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 6:46pm:
Would it have to be only for the militia...

It would have to be for something authorized by the Constitution...

I'm beginning to suspect you are stupid.
  

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Re: How About Actually Forming "A Well-Regulated Militia"
Reply #18 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 7:07pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 6:55pm:
It would have to be for something authorized by the Constitution...

I'm beginning to suspect you are stupid.


Help me wise up by citing the clause in the constitution that restricts what states can do with conscripts they draft into their militias under their constitution.
  
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Re: How About Actually Forming "A Well-Regulated Militia"
Reply #19 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 7:25pm
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Little Biq Man wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 7:07pm:
Help me wise up by citing the clause in the constitution that restricts what states can do with conscripts they draft into their militias under their constitution.
What?

The Constitution assumes that States will have well organized, well trained, and well armed Militias, so as to be able to resist federal encroachment on our rights.

Why do you think otherwise? Ignorance?
  

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