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Reply #20 - Oct 2nd, 2019 at 7:57pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 2nd, 2019 at 6:57pm:
A prosecutor's job is to get convictions.
The job of every officer of the court is to try to see that justice is done for each individual that comes into the court...

Is that What Giuliani and Harris did?
  

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Reply #21 - Oct 2nd, 2019 at 8:03pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 2nd, 2019 at 7:57pm:
The job of every officer of the court is to try to see that justice is done for each individual that comes into the court...
Oh gawd.  Roll Eyes  that's in the movies, Jeff.

In the real world, a good prosecutor needs convictions or they don't get re-elected.

Jeff wrote on Oct 2nd, 2019 at 7:57pm:
Is that What Giuliani and Harris did?


I don't know about Giuliani, but Harris was a vicious prosecutor. 

Many sad black mothers watched as their sons were led down the halls of justice wearing handcuffs and orange jump suits with DOC printed in large block letters on the back.   Cry

I read somewhere that Harris got so many convictions, they had to build new prisons to house all those black men she sent away.   Cry

However, it should be noted that Harris' "tough on crime" stance was quite popular at the time when she was San Francisco D.A..   The Left's progressivism didn't come until later, and Harris' stance shifted to hard progressivism where criminals are led in and out of jail like revolving-door.

Keep in mind that when Harris became the DA in San Francisco, there were only three Black DAs in the entire country!  She was under the microscope, and had to prove herself worthy by putting black men in prison.

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/07/237134/kamala-harris-prosecutor-record-...

  

Governments will always devise ways to deprive an honest man of his money or property, and claim that it's legal.
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Re: Creepy Joe Biden Desperately Tries To Muzzle Trump's Lawyer
Reply #22 - Oct 2nd, 2019 at 8:10pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 2nd, 2019 at 6:57pm:
A prosecutor's job is to get convictions.  Harris & Giuliani's record as a prosecutor has no bearing on how they conduct themselves in the political arena.


This is absolutely right.  A court of law is not different than a tennis court or any other court that the ball passes back and forth between a judge who is impartial and only enforces the rules of the game. 

A prosecutor's job is to get convictions and a defender's job is to get acquittals.

Justice and Liberty are maritime values and that is the reason why the Statue of Liberty has to be on the water.   Liberty at sea and freedom on land.
  
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Reply #23 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 6:53am
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 2nd, 2019 at 8:03pm:
In the real world, a good prosecutor needs convictions or they don't get re-elected.
A good prosecutor should see that only guilty people get convicted.

Is that what Guilani and Harris did?

Are you calling prosecutors who try to have innocent people convicted for their own benefit "good"?
  

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Reply #24 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 6:55am
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yamcha wrote on Oct 2nd, 2019 at 8:10pm:
This is absolutely right.  A court of law is not different than a tennis court or any other court that the ball passes back and forth between a judge who is impartial and only enforces the rules of the game. 

A prosecutor's job is to get convictions and a defender's job is to get acquittals.


What is going on in court is not a competition between prosecutors and defense attorneys. It is not a game. It is a process intended to result in justice being done.
  

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Reply #25 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 12:02pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 3rd, 2019 at 6:55am:
What is going on in court is not a competition between prosecutors and defense attorneys. It is not a game. It is a process intended to result in justice being done.


That's how it should be, but that is not how it is.

Prosecutors are judged on their numbers of convictions.  Politics, not public safety, determines who they go after to get those convictions. 

Once a prosecutor settles on a target, he has a huge advantage over his prey in terms of resources.  It is hard to imagine how wealthy one would have to be to hire the number of attorneys, paralegals, investigators, and experts that prosecutors have at their disposal.  Not to mention that most potential jurors have at least enough confidence in government to assume that they wouldn't be prosecuting unless it was plain that the defendant is guilty of something.

  

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Reply #26 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 1:28pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Oct 3rd, 2019 at 12:02pm:
That's how it should be, but that is not how it is.

Prosecutors are judged on their numbers of convictions.  Politics, not public safety, determines who they go after to get those convictions. 

Once a prosecutor settles on a target, he has a huge advantage over his prey in terms of resources.  It is hard to imagine how wealthy one would have to be to hire the number of attorneys, paralegals, investigators, and experts that prosecutors have at their disposal.  Not to mention that most potential jurors have at least enough confidence in government to assume that they wouldn't be prosecuting unless it was plain that the defendant is guilty of something.

I think you're correct.

Educating juries is one thing that would help. Judges should do that, and would, if we assumed that judges want to have justice done in their courtrooms... Many do.

Can you think of other possible solutions?

Is it true that these corrupt prosecutors (and the judges that enable them) are almost all located in big "progressive" cities? Edit: And that they all went to "progressive" law schools?
  

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Reply #27 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 5:40pm
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yamcha wrote on Oct 2nd, 2019 at 8:10pm:
This is absolutely right.  A court of law is not different than a tennis court or any other court that the ball passes back and forth between a judge who is impartial and only enforces the rules of the game. 

A prosecutor's job is to get convictions and a defender's job is to get acquittals.


Both, in order to preserve justice, must be fair, honest, and aboveboard while doing their jobs. To do otherwise is illegal, because the purpose of the "game" is justice for those before the court. Equal justice, under equally applied laws. That's how our law says it must be.


  

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