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Re: A libertarian case for climate action?
Reply #80 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 8:40am
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I think this article makes a good case for how critical it is that we let the government take action immediately!

https://babylonbee.com/news/experts-warn-we-have-only-12-years-left-until-they-c...
  

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Re: A libertarian case for climate action?
Reply #81 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 12:01pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 8:40am:
I think this article makes a good case for how critical it is that we let the government take action immediately!

https://babylonbee.com/news/experts-warn-we-have-only-12-years-left-until-they-c...

The babylonbee is a political satire website . . . it's for laughs - not to be taken seriously.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Babylon_Bee
  
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Re: A libertarian case for climate action?
Reply #82 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 2:15pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 12:01pm:
The babylonbee is a political satire website . . . it's for laughs - not to be taken seriously.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Babylon_Bee
Oh Jeez! I'm sorry! I took it for a real news site...

Anyway, there is often truth in satire. Smiley
  

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Re: A libertarian case for climate action?
Reply #83 - Oct 8th, 2019 at 10:35am
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Re: A libertarian case for climate action?
Reply #84 - Oct 8th, 2019 at 10:59am
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Jeff wrote on Oct 8th, 2019 at 10:35am:

No but it is ignorant.  The second paragraph is just flat out wrong.

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There is just no evidence of human-induced climate change. There is nobody willing to call them out on this nonsense with just showing the dramatic swings in temperature over the centuries.


There's also this canard:
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n January 1970, Life magazine, based on “solid scientific evidence”, claimed that by 1985 air pollution would reduce the sunlight reaching the Earth by half.
Because, "Life" is a noted scientific journal. 

Sure, climate catastrophist have existed since 1850s at least.  The still exist and there dire predictions are as likely to be wrong as they were in the past.  That says nothing about the more reasonable predictions.  The fact is that the scientific consensus is that that human generated CO2 is causing an increase in the average global temperature.  This will be bad for modern civilization.  How much increase and how bad is hotly debated but that it will increase and that it will be bad is denied only by cranks with an ideological interest in avoiding the truth. 

I've had the opposite argument with catastrophist too.  There are still folks out there that think Paul Erlich isn't a crank.  There are vast distances between "we must nationalized all things and start sterilizing the masses" and "its not real but if it were I'd rather the world burn than sacrifice my freedoms man!."
  
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Re: A libertarian case for climate action?
Reply #85 - Oct 8th, 2019 at 11:20am
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ahhell wrote on Oct 8th, 2019 at 10:59am:
No but it is ignorant.  The second paragraph is just flat out wrong.
Says you.

Far too much is still unknown for it to be possible to say anything more that it's probable that human action has some effect on climate, and to be honest, it must be added that it isn't yet known what that effect is or what the result will be.
  

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Reply #86 - Oct 8th, 2019 at 11:24am
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ahhell wrote on Oct 8th, 2019 at 10:59am:
The fact is that the scientific consensus is that that human generated CO2 is causing an increase in the average global temperature.
It is well known (or should be) that far too many climate scientists are biased and have been cheating for decades to make the data match their changing predictions.

Believe what you want, but work on getting China, and India, and Indonesia to stop emitting so much CO2, lest the Earth be doomed for certain!
  

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Re: A libertarian case for climate action?
Reply #87 - Oct 8th, 2019 at 11:30am
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ahhell wrote on Oct 8th, 2019 at 10:59am:
That says nothing about the more reasonable predictions.
The "more reasonable" predictions are still based on inadequate models using inadequate information.

Do the models account for solar activity, volcanoes and earthquakes, tectonic drift of the continental plates, changing ocean currents because of moving continents and new undersea mountains?

No. Because they can't. So, the "scientists" who construct the models simply throw up their hands and say, "Since we can't account for any of that stuff, lets just assume it's all constant and leave it out of the model."
  

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Reply #88 - Oct 9th, 2019 at 4:26pm
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ahhell wrote on Oct 8th, 2019 at 10:59am:
There are vast distances between "we must nationalized all things and start sterilizing the masses" and "its not real but if it were I'd rather the world burn than sacrifice my freedoms man!."


There is no differences between those they are the same thing my way or the highway.
  
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Re: A libertarian case for climate action?
Reply #89 - Oct 9th, 2019 at 6:37pm
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Industry wrote on Oct 9th, 2019 at 4:26pm:
There is no differences between those they are the same thing my way or the highway.
You think China, and India, and Indonesia, will be willing to compromise?
  

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