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Using The Term "Illegal Alien" Could Cost You $250,000 In NY
Sep 30th, 2019 at 4:47pm
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New York City's Commission on Human Rights declared that using the term "illegal alien" to describe an undocumented immigrant violates laws designed to protect employees and tenants from discrimination, and could result in fines of up to $250,000.

This is what happens when government becomes too powerful - we get ridiculous laws like this.

Not only is the law ridiculous, it is unlawful

It violates 1st Amendment protections.

Progressives and SJWs have gone too far, but the slippery slope has been established.   There's no going back.

This was our own damn fault - we have nobody to blame but ourselves for allowing this nonsense.

https://reason.com/2019/09/30/new-york-city-illegal-aliens-fine-free-speech/
  
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Re: Using The Term "Illegal Alien" Could Cost You $250,000 In NY
Reply #1 - Sep 30th, 2019 at 5:16pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 30th, 2019 at 4:47pm:
New York City's Commission on Human Rights declared that using the term "illegal alien" to describe an undocumented immigrant violates laws designed to protect employees and tenants from discrimination, and could result in fines of up to $250,000.

This is what happens when government becomes too powerful - we get ridiculous laws like this.

Not only is the law ridiculous, it is unlawful

It violates 1st Amendment protections.

Progressives and SJWs have gone too far, but the slippery slope has been established.   There's no going back.

This was our own damn fault - we have nobody to blame but ourselves for allowing this nonsense.

https://reason.com/2019/09/30/new-york-city-illegal-aliens-fine-free-speech/
Since the NYPD certainly calls them "illegal aliens" (at best), who will arrest people for saying it? Are they organizing a Special Thought Police SWAT Team? (STPST, pronounced "spits"). Probably training them to shoot dogs.

Anyway, we can go back Chief. We know who is doing this stuff. There aren't that many of them. The Courts, when they get wind of public opinion, will step in to help. Many already are, including SCOTUS. (From time to time anyway...)
  

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Reply #2 - Sep 30th, 2019 at 5:35pm
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Jeff wrote on Sep 30th, 2019 at 5:16pm:
Since the NYPD certainly calls them "illegal aliens" (at best), who will arrest people for saying it? Are they organizing a Special Thought Police SWAT Team? (STPST, pronounced "spits"). Probably training them to shoot dogs.

The issue is not about the ability to enforce idiotic laws - the issue is that idiotic laws are being passed in the first place.

Jeff wrote on Sep 30th, 2019 at 5:16pm:
Anyway, we can go back Chief. We know who is doing this stuff. There aren't that many of them. The Courts, when they get wind of public opinion, will step in to help. Many already are, including SCOTUS. (From time to time anyway...)

The PATRIOT Act of 2001 was blatantly unconstitutional.  It gave government the power and authorization to break down doors, conduct searches, wiretap, and seize phone records without due process (warrant).

Where was SCOTUS?   They should have nipped that in the bud before it ever got to the President's desk.

Where was Public opinion?
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 30th, 2019 at 6:04pm
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SkyChief wrote on Sep 30th, 2019 at 5:35pm:
The issue is not about the ability to enforce idiotic laws - the issue is that idiotic laws are being passed in the first place.

The PATRIOT Act of 2001 was blatantly unconstitutional.  It gave government the power and authorization to break down doors, conduct searches, wiretap, and seize phone records without due process (warrant).

Where was SCOTUS?   They should have nipped that in the bud before it ever got to the President's desk.

Where was Public opinion?
Gee Chief, people were horrified and scared.

They tried to pass it right after the OK City federal building bombing, but people weren't that scared about federal buildings being blown up. Flying big jets into big buildings did it, enough people cried "Make us safe, at any cost"... I think it passed almost unanimously the second time...

Anyway, SCOTUS doesn't hear many cases that haven't come up through the lower courts and been allowed to simmer and stew, and there are still too many justices that don't much like individual liberty and rights as we think of them.

They keep expressing willingness to look at these type of laws, so there is hope.

Justices are just people, and they have the normal human failings. They are influenced by public opinion. They are also influenced by Congress, which can remove them individually or limit the entire court's jurisdiction.

Maybe some of them are being bribed or blackmailed by the Deep State? Who knows?


  

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Reply #4 - Sep 30th, 2019 at 6:28pm
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It is clearly unconstitutional as I think you mentioned-

"In footnote two of his Feb. 16 order, Hanen says this:

    The Court uses the phrases ‘illegal immigrant’ and ‘illegal alien’ interchangeably…The Court also understands that there is a certain segment of the population that finds the phrase ‘illegal alien’ offensive. The Court uses this term because it is the term used by the Supreme Court in its latest pronouncement pertaining to this area of the law. See Arizona v. United States, 132 S. Ct. 2492 (2012)."

Quoted from this article:

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/sorry-the-accurate-legal-term-il...

Do you suppose they will arrest Judges if they use the common legal terms in NY? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Edit: A bit further in the article, we learn that Congress used the term in an immigration law:

"Arizona v. United States is the 2012 Supreme Court decision in which the Court, while striking down certain portions of Arizona’s new law on illegal aliens, upheld its most controversial provision — the requirement that state law enforcement officials verify the immigration status of individuals they stop, detain or arrest if they have a “reasonable suspicion” that the person is “unlawfully present in the United States.” The term “illegal alien” is used by the Supreme Court in that case on multiple occasions, such as when the Court points out that a particular amendment to federal immigration law was passed as “a comprehensive framework for ‘combating the employment of illegal aliens’” (emphasis added).
  

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Reply #5 - Sep 30th, 2019 at 7:14pm
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The only thing left that is good about America is free speech.  We already can't really freely have guns.  Take away free speech and it might as well be Canada or Europe. 

You have no idea how much this shit pisses me off.


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Reply #6 - Sep 30th, 2019 at 10:02pm
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I find it extremely offensive. Those people aren't even real aliens.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Using The Term "Illegal Alien" Could Cost You $250,000 In NY
Reply #7 - Oct 1st, 2019 at 7:48am
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Not to worry, DHS has identified the real problem:

https://www.dcclothesline.com/2019/09/24/dhs-secretary-kevin-mcaleenan-declares-...

In the meantime, despite all the illegal aliens, crime continues to go down:

https://twitter.com/JohnFPfaff/status/1178523220602957824?utm_medium=email

  

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Re: Using The Term "Illegal Alien" Could Cost You $250,000 In NY
Reply #8 - Oct 6th, 2019 at 3:12pm
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How does that $250k fine become unConstitutional? The First Amendment only applies to Congress and also all 50 states.
  
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Re: Using The Term "Illegal Alien" Could Cost You $250,000 In NY
Reply #9 - Oct 6th, 2019 at 3:25pm
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AlayneLeung wrote on Oct 6th, 2019 at 3:12pm:
How does that $250k fine become unConstitutional? The First Amendment only applies to Congress and also all 50 states.
Alayne, the first amendment prohibits lawmakers from passing laws which deny an individual's right to free speech. 

The NYC Commission on Human Rights are using the power of the State to punish people from saying two words; ILLEGAL and ALIEN. 

They're deliberately overstepping the First Amendment.  These lawmakers need to be punished and publicly humiliated.      Bring back Tar & Feathering maybe.
  
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