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Reply #20 - Oct 6th, 2019 at 8:24pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 6th, 2019 at 8:04pm:
The NYC Law that prohibits use of the term illegal alien supersedes First Amendment rights.
No.
  

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Reply #21 - Oct 6th, 2019 at 8:26pm
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yamcha wrote on Oct 6th, 2019 at 8:24pm:
So does this mean that if I stand on a street corner in NYC and say illegal alien(s) a few times I can get picked up by the fuzz?
They still have fuzz in the Big Apple?
  

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Reply #22 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 2:39am
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yamcha wrote on Oct 6th, 2019 at 8:24pm:
So does this mean that if I stand on a street corner in NYC and say illegal alien(s) a few times I can get picked up by the fuzz?
If you use the term for "harassment", you would be in violation of the NYC Human Rights Law, and the fuzz could arrest you.

NYC has found a legal loophole which grants them power to prohibit speech that *might* make certain people uncomfortable.

Naturally, the term Illegal Alien makes most illegal aliens uncomfortable.   So it has been deemed to be "pejorative" by the Commission on Human Rights.

They argue that the term Illegal Alien could be used to make some feel unwanted or unwelcome, so the term has been banned from use.

Instead of Illegal Alien, you could use the term Foreigner Who Entered the US Unlawfully.

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"This new legal enforcement guidance will help ensure that no New Yorker is discriminated against based on their immigration status or national origin. "

NYC Deputy Mayor Phil Thompson
  
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Reply #23 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 5:52am
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Great how we put the fukking illegals before us.
  
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Reply #24 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 8:19am
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 2:39am:
NYC has found a legal loophole which grants them power to prohibit speech that *might* make certain people uncomfortable.

No they haven't, they are just claiming that what they are doing is legal. It isn't. They know it.
  

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Reply #25 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 8:22am
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yamcha wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 5:52am:
Great how we put the fukking illegals before us.
There's actually a long list of things that are said to be "pejorative" when they are said about "us", but, in truth, it isn't "we" who are doing this, it's "them", "them" being "progressives".

We think it's an absurd crock of shit. Grin
  

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Reply #26 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 11:32am
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Jeff wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 8:19am:
No they haven't, they are just claiming that what they are doing is legal. It isn't. They know it.
The loophole allows them to "police" free speech:


New York City’s new guidance goes a step further, making it clear that evidence of “severity or pervasive” conduct is “only relevant to the damages” caused by said conduct. This leaves the door wide open for city officials to interpret politically incorrect statements as they see fit, stripping anti-discrimination statutes of objectivity and allowing bureaucrats and victims alike to claim subjective “damages”.

I think what they are saying here is that if the term Illegal Alein is used pejoratively, then NYC can prosecute, but if the term is used in a benign way, the there are no "damages".

For example a storefront sign says:

NOW HIRING

(SORRY - WE CANNOT HIRE ILLEGAL ALIENS)


In this example, the term ILLEGAL ALIEN is merely for information, so it does not violate the NYC Law.  However, if the sign read:

NOW HIRING

(ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO APPLY WILL BE TURNED OVER TO ICE)


This is designed to intimidate illegals, and could be subject to a $250,000 fine.
  
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Reply #27 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 2:13pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 11:32am:
The loophole allows them to "police" free speech:
It's only their ignorance that allows them to believe they've found a loophole. They should have taken the time to review the Supreme Court's decisions on free speech.
  

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Re: Using The Term "Illegal Alien" Could Cost You $250,000 In NY
Reply #28 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 10:17pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 11:32am:
The loophole allows them to "police" free speech:


New York City’s new guidance goes a step further, making it clear that evidence of “severity or pervasive” conduct is “only relevant to the damages” caused by said conduct. This leaves the door wide open for city officials to interpret politically incorrect statements as they see fit, stripping anti-discrimination statutes of objectivity and allowing bureaucrats and victims alike to claim subjective “damages”.

I think what they are saying here is that if the term Illegal Alein is used pejoratively, then NYC can prosecute, but if the term is used in a benign way, the there are no "damages".

For example a storefront sign says:

NOW HIRING

(SORRY - WE CANNOT HIRE ILLEGAL ALIENS)


In this example, the term ILLEGAL ALIEN is merely for information, so it does not violate the NYC Law.  However, if the sign read:

NOW HIRING

(ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO APPLY WILL BE TURNED OVER TO ICE)


This is designed to intimidate illegals, and could be subject to a $250,000 fine.


How about this:

NOW HIRING

( ILLEGAL ALIENS WELCOMED TO APPLY )

  
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Re: Using The Term "Illegal Alien" Could Cost You $250,000 In NY
Reply #29 - Oct 8th, 2019 at 1:51am
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yamcha wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 10:17pm:
How about this:

NOW HIRING

( ILLEGAL ALIENS WELCOMED TO APPLY )

This would be acceptable as it does not intimidate anyone. 

NYC has been granted the power to decide the meaning of the term Illegal Alien

NYC takes immense pride in protecting their illegal aliens:

"We take immense pride in our city's diversity and the immigrant communities that call New York City home."  - Deputy Mayor Phil Thompson.

If only NYC would protect their citizens with as much vigor!    Grin   Grin   Grin
  
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