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Re: How is this Murder?
Reply #20 - Oct 1st, 2019 at 10:24pm
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yamcha wrote on Oct 1st, 2019 at 10:13pm:
Who cares?  When you shoot a guy who has a gun up to your head, do you care if you are innocent of murder or not?  Who cares?


I certainly care whether I am guilty of wrongdoing or not.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: How is this Murder?
Reply #21 - Oct 1st, 2019 at 10:36pm
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Would you be innocent if you murdered yourself?
  
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Re: How is this Murder?
Reply #22 - Oct 2nd, 2019 at 9:52am
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Jeff wrote on Oct 1st, 2019 at 6:38pm:
The story was he dropped the pickax before he fled...

You think he was running off to get an RPG or something?


"Or something," yes. 

Was he going to get a gun, a knife, a can of gasoline or a couple of comrades? 

Who knows? 

Maybe he was just running to start filling out job applications, he having had the epiphany that crime does not pay.  That would be great, right? 

If I'm Mr. Meyer, I'm not going to bet my life on that best case scenario.
  

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Re: How is this Murder?
Reply #23 - Oct 2nd, 2019 at 10:04am
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Little Big Man wrote on Oct 2nd, 2019 at 9:52am:
"Or something," yes. 

Was he going to get a gun, a knife, a can of gasoline or a couple of comrades? 

Who knows? 

Maybe he was just running to start filling out job applications, he having had the epiphany that crime does not pay.  That would be great, right? 

If I'm Mr. Meyer, I'm not going to bet my life on that best case scenario.


Well you have to. If it's a bet, you're not sure, and if you're not sure, you can't self-defend.

When can you self-defend? *shakes 8-ball*

When aggression is palpable, immediate, and clear.

The article I linked proves that. Is the article wrong?
  

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Re: How is this Murder?
Reply #24 - Oct 2nd, 2019 at 10:46am
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 2nd, 2019 at 10:04am:
Well you have to. If it's a bet, you're not sure, and if you're not sure, you can't self-defend.


It was not a bet when Mr. Meyer shot the intruder; it was a refusal to bet.  By ending the threat, he avoided wagering his life on the proposition that the threat was not real or would not be carried out. 

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When can you self-defend? *shakes 8-ball*

When aggression is palpable, immediate, and clear.

The article I linked proves that. Is the article wrong?


Well, I disagree with it, so in my opinion it is wrong. 

But that's my opinion only.


  

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Re: How is this Murder?
Reply #25 - Oct 2nd, 2019 at 3:03pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Oct 2nd, 2019 at 9:52am:
"Or something," yes. 

Was he going to get a gun, a knife, a can of gasoline or a couple of comrades? 

Who knows? 

Maybe he was just running to start filling out job applications, he having had the epiphany that crime does not pay.  That would be great, right? 

If I'm Mr. Meyer, I'm not going to bet my life on that best case scenario.
You want to change the law, so that you can shoot people because they might threaten you in the future.
  

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Re: How is this Murder?
Reply #26 - Oct 2nd, 2019 at 10:06pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Oct 2nd, 2019 at 10:46am:
It was not a bet when Mr. Meyer shot the intruder; it was a refusal to bet.  By ending the threat, he avoided wagering his life on the proposition that the threat was not real or would not be carried out. 


He had no way to be sure the intruder would attack. He bet that the intruder was going to attack. He lost that bet, and he will rightly be punished.

Little Big Man wrote on Oct 2nd, 2019 at 10:46am:
Well, I disagree with it, so in my opinion it is wrong. 

But that's my opinion only.


What about it do you disagree with?

I used to want the kind of world you're proposing when I was a Statist. I used to think that it was ridiculous to impose upon the law-abiding to protect a criminal.

I used to think that the criminal is already vastly advantaged because he will behave in ways a law-abiding person will not, and that since we want a world where the law-abiding is advantaged over the criminal, the law must impose disadvantages on criminals that outweigh the advantages they gain from breaking the law.

My beliefs have been hammered into a fine pulp by pure jeering and I no longer believe any of that nonsense. All I want is to be a libertarian.

That means I must consider the rights of others. Criminals have oodles and oodles of rights.

Jeff wrote on Oct 2nd, 2019 at 3:03pm:
You want to change the law, so that you can shoot people because they might threaten you in the future.


I certainly don't. I know that would be aggression. It frankly disgusts me that someone would propose something so tyrannical.

Mere risk is not grounds to act against another.
  

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Re: How is this Murder?
Reply #27 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 6:59am
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 2nd, 2019 at 10:06pm:
Mere risk is not grounds to act against another.
If you risk immediate physical danger by not acting, it is grounds to defend yourself.
  

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