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Reply #10 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 7:34am
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 3rd, 2019 at 1:01am:
Equality of opportunity is a bit of a weasel term without much true meaning. Opportunities will not be equal even if people have equal rights. Some people will prefer to hire whites over blacks or Asians over whites.

People will not actually have equal opportunities due to things like accidents of birth. If you are born to a poor single mother in the ghetto, you won't have the opportunity to do a lot of things that you would if you were born to well off parents in a rich suburb.

The true meaning of "equal opportunity" comes when you complete the phrase- "Equal opportunity under the laws."

It's a prohibition on government action. Government may not discriminate by denying opportunities to anyone by laws that might be enacted.

It's a fundamental principle of American law, and it is what America is (supposed to be) about.
  

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Reply #11 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 7:35am
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The blacks did better under Jim Crow Law.  MLK and Malcolm ruined everything for them by forcing them to want equality.  Equality is not in their constitution.
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 7:39am
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Reply #13 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 7:40am
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yamcha wrote on Oct 3rd, 2019 at 7:35am:
The blacks did better under Jim Crow Law.
Evidence? Better than what?

You make a good case for that, and I'll make a good case for The Great Society programs destroying black families and the incentive to work.
  

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Reply #14 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 8:15am
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Don't take my word for it.  The Civil Rights Movement destroyed the blacks.

Take his word for it, he lived it.:


There is your evidence so go ahead and make your good case for The Great Society programs.
  
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Reply #15 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 10:14am
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yamcha wrote on Oct 3rd, 2019 at 1:27am:
JESUS!  I am saying that all equality of any is manmade bullshit and equal opportunity is not what America or anywhere else in the universe is about.

Equality in any form is not something you can have even if you want it, even if it is arbitrarily forced on you.

Oppo, why are you so stupid?


yamcha wrote on Oct 2nd, 2019 at 10:21am:
No, I am not saying that.  They have full equal rights but they by their nature, screw themselves out of equality without the need for others to do so.

  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #16 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 12:20pm
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yamcha wrote on Oct 3rd, 2019 at 8:15am:
Don't take my word for it.  The Civil Rights Movement destroyed the blacks.

Take his word for it, he lived it.:


There is your evidence so go ahead and make your good case for The Great Society programs.
I lived it too. My word is as good as his.

Equal rights did not destroy black families, or herd blacks into inner city ghettos, or destroy the incentive to work. Great Society programs did.
  

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Reply #17 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 7:50pm
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Oppo,
You don't see the point; even given equality it doesn't help them because equality is artificial.

You get stuck on little paragraph technicalities and don't ever see the big picture and that is why you sing the same song hee every day and cannot move higher. 

You don't say anything about the examples I had to dumb down for you.
  
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Reply #18 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 7:54pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 3rd, 2019 at 12:20pm:
I lived it too. My word is as good as his.

Equal rights did not destroy black families, or herd blacks into inner city ghettos, or destroy the incentive to work. Great Society programs did.


How did you live it Jeff?  They didn't allow you to have sex with the negress?  So you feel you know better than Jesse?

You have this thing where you think blacks need to live the way you think it is best for them to live.  You are a very big racist without knowing it.  Blacks who lived under Jim preferred it and you don't allow them to have a preference.
  
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Reply #19 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 9:12pm
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yamcha wrote on Oct 3rd, 2019 at 7:50pm:
Oppo,
You don't see the point; even given equality it doesn't help them because equality is artificial.


What kinds of "given" equality are you against? Affirmative Action? Me too.

yamcha wrote on Oct 3rd, 2019 at 7:50pm:
You get stuck on little paragraph technicalities and don't ever see the big picture and that is why you sing the same song here every day and cannot move higher. 

You don't say anything about the examples I had to dumb down for you.


I can't imagine most of that is directed towards me. I don't really disagree with any of it except that I don't believe black people are inferior to white people.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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