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Reply #10 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 4:21pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 4:07pm:
Right. Taxation funds their governments.

Here's how the Bahamas does it:

https://www.thebahamasguide.com/facts/taxes/
How 'bout that - I was right. 

Bahamas gets revenues with duties/tariffs.

That sure beats income taxes!!    Grin
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 4:29pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 4:21pm:
How 'bout that - I was right. 

Bahamas gets revenues with duties/tariffs.

That sure beats income taxes!!    Grin
You were not right, because you were claiming to have examples of countries that funded their government without taxation.

If you want to say "The system of taxation used by Andorra is better than the U.S. system of taxation", it would still be arguable, but it would be more correct than what you did say.

Edit: I think this is pertinent:

https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/decay-our-language-happening
  

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Reply #12 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 5:31pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 4:29pm:
You were not right, because you were claiming to have examples of countries that funded their government without taxation.

Not quite, Jeff.     Here's what I actually said:

SkyChief wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 2:55pm:
Bermuda, Monaco, the Bahamas, and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) have no income or property taxes.

It's embarrassing that these countries understand individual freedom and liberty better than the US.

I don't pretend to know how they do it.  I suspect they might get government funding through Sales Taxes, or Tariffs.  Maybe both??     It's just a guess.

This is absolutely correct.  These four countries do not tax incomes.  They get revenues from other taxes.

The US should look to these countries as a model.   If we got rid of Income Taxes, imagine how the economy would grow.   We'd become the envy of the free world.
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 5:40pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 4:06pm:
Not true about the never part.


OK, the Articles of Confederation lasted eight years, but there were state governments (and local governments) in all of the States, and a good thing too, because the government constituted under the Articles was useless.

It was realized pretty quickly that the Articles were inadequate, primarily because of a lack of the power to tax, but it took a while to hammer out the Constitution and get it ratified, so the Articles lived on, ineffective as ever.

The Articles of Confederation were not a success story for government without the power to tax...

Maybe you had something else in mind?
  

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Reply #14 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 6:10pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 5:40pm:
OK, the Articles of Confederation lasted eight years, but there were state governments (and local governments) in all of the States, and a good thing too, because the government constituted under the Articles was useless.

It was realized pretty quickly that the Articles were inadequate, primarily because of a lack of the power to tax, but it took a while to hammer out the Constitution and get it ratified, so the Articles lived on, ineffective as ever.

The Articles of Confederation were not a success story for government without the power to tax...

Maybe you had something else in mind?


I sure did, but since you brought up the Articles of Confederation, how did that government fail?

I am sure that Madison listed many failures of the government under the Articles of Confederation. 

What did that government fail to do?

  

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Reply #15 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 6:35pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 1:20pm:
But there ARE countries that don't have taxes;

That's what you said Chief.

Edit It's clever of you to combine two of your statements to try to modify the meaning of what you first said, but it smells bad.
  

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Reply #16 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 6:39pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 6:10pm:
I sure did...
Great! Can you remember what it was?
  

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Reply #17 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 6:39pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 6:35pm:
That's what you said Chief.
I meant income taxes.      Don't play daft with me.
  
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Reply #18 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 6:40pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 5:31pm:
We'd become the envy of the free world.
What world is that?
  

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Reply #19 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 6:41pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 6:39pm:
I meant income taxes.      Don't play daft with me.
Don't be loose with your language.

Saying one thing and later claiming everyone should have known you meant something else is low.
  

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