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Re: Can Rights be Voted into and out of Existance?
Reply #20 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 8:28pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 6:41pm:
Don't be loose with your language.

Saying one thing and later claiming everyone should have known you meant something else is low.


No, You are the low one who is always being a scoundrel contrarian.  Thumbdick Gramps, you are an old progressive 100% and you want taxes and you want others to be forced to live the way you think is righteous.  You are a gravedigger.

Yes, rights can be voted in.  Gay marriage was voted in.  Just look at the fuking Patriot Act.
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The 1st Amendment protects speech, religion, assembly and the press:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The Supreme Court has also interpreted the First Amendment as protecting freedom of association. However, the government is arresting those speaking out … and violently crushing peaceful assemblies which attempt to petition the government for redress. A federal judge found that the law allowing indefinite detention of Americans without due process has a “chilling effect” on free speech. And see this and this. There are also enacted laws allowing the secret service to arrest anyone protesting near the president or other designated folks (that might explain incidents like this). Mass spying by the NSA violates our freedom of association, chilling our willingness to associate with people who are not firmly in the mainstream. The threat of being labeled a terrorist for exercising our First Amendment rights certainly violates the First Amendment. The government is using laws to crush dissent, and it’s gotten so bad that even U.S. Supreme Court justices are saying that we are descending into tyranny. For example, the following actions may get an American citizen living on U.S. soil labeled as a “suspected terrorist” today:

Having an almanac
Complaining about the taste of your tap water
Being young (if you live near a battle zone, you are fair game; and see this)
Using social media
Reporting or doing journalism (and here and here)
Having “strange odors” or “bright colored stains on clothes” (what if you eat mustard or ketchup?)
Speaking out against government policies
Protesting anything (such as participating in the “Occupy” or “Tea Party” movements)
Questioning war (even though war reduces our national security; and see this)
Criticizing the government’s targeting of innocent civilians with drones (although killing innocent civilians with drones is one of the main things which increases terrorism. And see this)
Asking questions about pollution (even at a public Congressional hearing?)
Paying cash at an Internet cafe
Asking questions about Wall Street shenanigans
Holding gold
Creating alternative currencies
Stocking up on more than 7 days of food (even though all Mormons are taught to stockpile food, and most Hawaiians store up on extra food)
Having bumper stickers saying things like “Know Your Rights Or Lose Them”
Investigating factory farming
Infringing a copyright
Taking pictures or videos
Talking to police officers
Wearing a hoodie
Driving a van
Writing on a piece of paper
(Not having a Facebook account may soon be added)
And holding the following beliefs may also be considered grounds for suspected terrorism:

Being frustrated with “mainstream ideologies”
Valuing online privacy (and see this)
Being a libertarian
Liking the Founding Fathers
Being a Christian
Being anti-tax, anti-regulation or for the gold standard
Being “reverent of individual liberty”
Being “anti-nuclear”
“Believe in conspiracy theories”
“A belief that one’s personal and/or national “way of life” is under attack”
“Impose strict religious tenets or laws on society (fundamentalists)”
“Insert religion into the political sphere”
“Those who seek to politicize religion”
“Supported political movements for autonomy”
Being “anti-abortion”
Being “anti-Catholic”
Being “anti-global”
“Suspicious of centralized federal authority”
“Fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation)”
“A belief in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in … survivalism”
Opposing genetically engineered food
Opposing surveillance
Of course, Muslims are more or less subject to a separate system of justice in America. And 1st Amendment rights are especially chilled when power has become so concentrated that the same agency which spies on all Americans also decides who should be assassinated.


Jeremiah Wright ws right whe he said:

GOD DAMN AMERICA!!!
  
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Re: Can Rights be Voted into and out of Existance?
Reply #21 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 9:24pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 6:41pm:
Don't be loose with your language.

Saying one thing and later claiming everyone should have known you meant something else is low.


I knew what he meant because I read his posts.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Re: Can Rights be Voted into and out of Existance?
Reply #22 - Oct 8th, 2019 at 9:13am
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yamcha wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 8:28pm:
Yes, rights can be voted in.  Gay marriage was voted in.  Just look at the fuking Patriot Act.

Jeremiah Wright ws right whe he said:

GOD DAMN AMERICA!!!
The right to choose your own partner wasn't created by voting, it was (finally) recognized to exist by the courts.

Here's an article you will find informative:

https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/01/why-the-left-moved-from-loving-thomas-jeffe...


  

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Re: Can Rights be Voted into and out of Existance?
Reply #23 - Oct 8th, 2019 at 9:14am
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 7th, 2019 at 9:24pm:
I knew what he meant because I read his posts.
Me too, that's why I noticed he was trying to weasel out of what he actually said.

I wasn't surprised, since he is constantly on about the "taxation is theft" idea, and claiming that governments aren't necessary for one reason or another.
  

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Re: Can Rights be Voted into and out of Existance?
Reply #24 - Oct 8th, 2019 at 12:27pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 8th, 2019 at 9:14am:
Me too, that's why I noticed he was trying to weasel out of what he actually said.

I wasn't surprised, since he is constantly on about the "taxation is theft" idea, and claiming that governments aren't necessary for one reason or another.
Show me just ONE time where I claimed that governments aren't necessary for one reason or another.

Just ONE.

Here are a few things I DID say about the government;

"The first step in restoring liberty is to restore the limitations on government" 

"Any time power is granted to the government, it is done at the expense of the liberty of the governed." 

"No insurance policy in the world will cover losses incurred by government theft."


  
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Re: Can Rights be Voted into and out of Existance?
Reply #25 - Oct 8th, 2019 at 3:06pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 8th, 2019 at 12:27pm:
Show me just ONE time where I claimed that governments aren't necessary for one reason or another.

Just ONE.


"Taxes are theft" and "Abolish all taxation" are close enough.
  

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Re: Can Rights be Voted into and out of Existance?
Reply #26 - Oct 8th, 2019 at 5:41pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 8th, 2019 at 3:06pm:
"Taxes are theft" and "Abolish all taxation" are close enough.
Those aren't original ideas. 

I was parroting Ron Paul, Lysander Spooner, Milton Friedman, and others.

I have consistently advocated for the return to a limited, essential government. 

"The first step in restoring liberty is to restore the limitations on government" 
  
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Re: Can Rights be Voted into and out of Existance?
Reply #27 - Oct 8th, 2019 at 6:39pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 8th, 2019 at 5:41pm:
Those aren't original ideas. 

Not to you or me, that's for sure. Grin
  

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Re: Can Rights be Voted into and out of Existance?
Reply #28 - Oct 8th, 2019 at 6:42pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 8th, 2019 at 5:41pm:
"The first step in restoring liberty is to restore the limitations on government" 
Just don't get rid of "essential" things like the FAA and the FDA and the ATF, and the NSA, and the DHS... That's almost all that real libertarians ask...

Edit: Geezus Oh Man, I forgot about the BLM, which for decades (or even longer) has been saving Americans from the deadly peril of badly managed land! Shocked Shocked Shocked
  

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Re: Can Rights be Voted into and out of Existance?
Reply #29 - Oct 9th, 2019 at 10:01am
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Jeff wrote on Oct 8th, 2019 at 3:06pm:
"Taxes are theft" and "Abolish all taxation" are close enough.


Eliminating taxes =/= anarchy.

The simple trick is to start with the premise that government will protect rights, not abridge them.  Since taxes abridge natural right to own property, government will be limited by how much government can be paid for through voluntary transactions.

Many, many huge and useful organizations have been built through voluntary transactions so any claim that such a thing is not possible is based on fantasy.
  

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