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"Neoliberalism"
Oct 8th, 2019 at 5:58pm
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Ah yes. This term. I don't like it.

Throughout my whole school life they've been telling me this: "After the great depression of 1929, caused by overproduction, welfare states rose to fix the economy all over the world. In the 80s and 90s, they were followed by neoliberal goverments, which still prevail nowadays".

Ok first of all, I've never seen anyone identify as a "neoliberal". Neoliberalism doesn't exist as an economic school and I've never seen a neoliberal political party. It is true there was a guy called Walter Lipmann who invented the term, but it was used to describe something much closer to interventionism than actual liberalism. The term is not even used the way it was supposed to be used as originally, and I've never heard of anyone identifying as a neoliberal neither with its original definition nor in the way it's used nowadays.

Second, why the "neo"? Is there such a thing as "neosocialism"? No, because there's no such thing as new or old government control of the means of production either. Sticking a "neo" is superfluous and doesn't make any sense. At school they always used to tell me it was because a "new" period of liberalism arose, hence the "neo". But what even is the point of that? does that mean you're going to stick another neo for every time there's a new wave of liberal governments in the future? lol no.

Third, the term is used inconsistently. They have always told me neoliberalism is about lowering taxes and not much else, but this has always screwed me up because Deng Xiaoping, for example, did lower taxes, yet his government wasn't exactly liberal. Inconsistent, no? Idk maybe my professors were just dumb but I seriously have never seen anyone give me a reason other than that to call a government "neoliberal".

So no I'm not convinced neoliberalism exists. Doesn't differ from liberalism enough nor is used consistently. Obviously, you can try convince me otherwise.
  
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Re: "Neoliberalism"
Reply #1 - Oct 8th, 2019 at 6:04pm
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libertytorch95 wrote on Oct 8th, 2019 at 5:58pm:
Ah yes. This term. I don't like it.

It's passe anyway.

Edit: Wasn't Newt a "neoliberal"?
  

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Reply #2 - Oct 8th, 2019 at 6:09pm
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libertytorch95 wrote on Oct 8th, 2019 at 5:58pm:
Ok first of all, I've never seen anyone identify as a "neoliberal".
I identify as a classical liberal, and sometimes, being bold as I am in my dotage, I just say I'm liberal minded. Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley A real liberal!

Screw you if you don't know what I mean, you ignorant child!

Old, experienced people often think like I do. Smiley

Children think they have new ideas Grin Grin Grin.
  

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Reply #3 - Oct 8th, 2019 at 7:03pm
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Neoliberalism IS a word:

/nēōˈlib(ə)r(ə)liz(ə)m/

(noun)

a modified form of liberalism tending to favor free-market capitalism.

That's a dumb definition, IMO.

Shouldn't Neoliberalism should be opposite of classic liberalism?
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 8th, 2019 at 7:15pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 8th, 2019 at 7:03pm:
Neoliberalism IS a word:

So is "gobble-de-gook, I think. Smiley
  

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Reply #5 - Oct 8th, 2019 at 7:16pm
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SkyChief wrote on Oct 8th, 2019 at 7:03pm:
Shouldn't Neoliberalism should be opposite of classic liberalism?
What confused idiot would think that?
  

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Reply #6 - Oct 8th, 2019 at 7:22pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 8th, 2019 at 7:16pm:
What confused idiot would think that?

You took the bait - hook line and sinker!      Smiley
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 9th, 2019 at 9:29am
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Always be suspicious of terms that are coined or almost exclusively used by opponents of the said term, in likelyhood its just used as a strawman.  Such is the case with neo-liberalism.  Aside from that it is passe, they now use "market fundamentalism" which really just means folks who have at least a rudimentary understanding of non marxist economics. 

Neo-liberalism should not mean the opposite of liberalism.  Neo just means new and is typically used in English to denote things that had at one point fallen out of fashion but have now come back into fashion at least in within some subculture in a modified form. 

  
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