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Reply #30 - Oct 13th, 2019 at 3:10pm
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 13th, 2019 at 2:58pm:
Is that the correct libertarian position?
The libertarian position is for freedom of speech. Sheesh, are you dense?
  

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Reply #31 - Oct 13th, 2019 at 3:11pm
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 13th, 2019 at 2:58pm:
It's the Post Office. Everyone gets terrible service.

My small town post office gives excellent service.
  

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Reply #32 - Oct 13th, 2019 at 3:17pm
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 13th, 2019 at 2:58pm:
But I didn't ask about cause to fire. I asked whether the government would be discriminating against him, and therefore violating anti-discrimination itself, by firing him for the things he says off-duty and trying as hard as possible to be anonymous.
Employees of the government are still private citizens when off duty and have the same free speech rights as everyone else.

Elected and appointed officials are creatures of the government during their terms, they have duties and responsibilities. There is no time when the President, while in office, cannot be said to be representing the United States.
  

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Reply #33 - Oct 13th, 2019 at 3:20pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 13th, 2019 at 3:10pm:
The libertarian position is for freedom of speech. Sheesh, are you dense?


Not what I asked. I get that Joebob has freedom of speech. That just means he can't be locked up for saying those things.

I'm asking about the proper scope of the government being prohibited from discriminating.

Jeff wrote on Oct 13th, 2019 at 3:17pm:
Employees of the government are still private citizens when off duty and have the same free speech rights as everyone else.

Elected and appointed officials are creatures of the government during their terms, they have duties and responsibilities. There is no time when the President, while in office, cannot be said to be representing the United States.


Not what I asked.
  

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Reply #34 - Oct 13th, 2019 at 3:23pm
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 13th, 2019 at 3:20pm:
Not what I asked. I get that Joebob has freedom of speech. That just means he can't be locked up for saying those things.

I'm asking about the proper scope of the government being prohibited from discriminating.


Well, if the government will fire you for saying you think "niggers should be erased", but doesn't fire you for saying "white people should all be killed", then the government is illegally discriminating.

Freedom of speech means the government can't act in any way to prevent you from speaking freely.

In the interests of having a work place where people aren't harassed and intimidated, even the government can set reasonable rules about what you say when you are at work, but they must be even handed about it. If they are going to ban Christian discussion groups at lunch time, they have to ban any and all religious discussions at lunch time.
  

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Reply #35 - Oct 13th, 2019 at 3:30pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 13th, 2019 at 3:23pm:
Well, if the government will fire you for saying you think "people are happy when niggers are deleted",


Edit: I'm editing the quote to something closer to what Yamcha has actually said. You slipped in a plausible threat, which didn't happen and totally changes the scope of the discussion.

No ifs ands or buts. Can they do that if it's said off-duty and trying as hard as possible to be anonymous?

You know the First Amendment doesn't stop anybody from getting fired. You know that.

I'm talking, specifically, about the government's lack of right to discriminate. Does it protect Joebob? Please just answer me.

Jeff wrote on Oct 13th, 2019 at 3:23pm:
Freedom of speech means the government can't act in any way to prevent you from speaking freely.


Firing someone is not preventing them from speaking freely and you know it.

Jeff wrote on Oct 13th, 2019 at 3:23pm:
In the interests of having a work place where people aren't harassed and intimidated, even the government can set reasonable rules about what you say when you are at work, but they must be even handed about it. If they are going to ban Christian discussion groups at lunch time, they have to ban any and all religious discussions.


I don't care. Not what I asked.
  

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Reply #36 - Oct 13th, 2019 at 3:36pm
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 13th, 2019 at 3:30pm:
No ifs ands or buts. Can they do that if it's said off-duty and trying as hard as possible to be anonymous?

You know the First Amendment doesn't stop anybody from getting fired. You know that.

I'm talking, specifically, about the government's lack of right to discriminate. Does it protect Joebob? Please just answer me.
Ever since the New Deal Court turned our Constitution into a grant of unlimited power to legislate and tax, the government has become "progressive" and begun to discriminate in all sorts of ways. "Progressive" theory is all about having the government discriminate for the "greater good".

Under their current unlimited grant of power, they can discriminate against Joebob in just about any way they want to. If Joebob's existence is making some favored group "uncomfortable" they can put Joebob in prison.

Edit: "Progressivism" is very unlibertarian.
  

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Reply #37 - Oct 13th, 2019 at 4:04pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 13th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
Under their current unlimited grant of power,


I. don't. care.

Not. what. I. asked.
  

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Reply #38 - Oct 13th, 2019 at 5:16pm
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The Opposition wrote on Oct 13th, 2019 at 4:04pm:
I. don't. care.

Not. what. I. asked.
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Edit: Hey, I know you want to control the conversation. It's obvious, just as it should be obvious to you that I don't want you to! Smiley

Maybe controlling conversations isn't one of your talents as a supergenius....Say, I forget, what talents are conferred on you when you are certified to be a supergenius?

Give me a list, thanks. Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss
  

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Reply #39 - Oct 13th, 2019 at 7:39pm
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Jeff wrote on Oct 13th, 2019 at 5:16pm:
Hey, I know you want to control the conversation.


For wanting one little question answered? Really?

Alright then, I'll piss off and withdraw it.
  

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