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Re: No libertarians agree on what is libertarian
Reply #280 - Nov 13th, 2019 at 7:17am
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Industry wrote on Nov 12th, 2019 at 4:17pm:
He make up own definition for everything and scream if you do not use it.

Dictionary has like 6 for each word but he will still use only the one he wants you can be like no I was talking about this he will be like nope you are wrong.
Which definition of definition fits with our current discussion?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/definition

Perhaps you choose b.2?

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(2) : clarity especially of musical sound in reproduction
  

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Re: No libertarians agree on what is libertarian
Reply #281 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 8:57am
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This is libertarian:

https://reason.com/2019/11/24/not-all-regulation-is-bad/?utm_medium=email

From the article:

"To regulate is to make regular and orderly, to hold to a standard, to control according to rule, as a thermostat regulates the temperature in a building.

Market forces do this constantly. Competing businesses offer what they hope will be a good value, then customers choose among the various offerings, then the competing businesses react to customers' and competitors' choices. That process is the market's regulator.

To take an example of market regulation so ubiquitous that many people don't even notice it, market forces regulate prices."

It's a good argument to use when people talk about "unregulated markets".
  

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Re: No libertarians agree on what is libertarian
Reply #282 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 12:18pm
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Life, Liberty, & Property.    Certainly, all libertarians agree on this.

This simply means that a person's life, liberty, and property belong's to that person.   It is wrong for another person (or group of people) to lay claim to it.

That's why granting government the power to directly tax wages, salaries and income was a profoundly bad idea.

The power to tax a person's Property is another destructive direct tax.   

In some states, the State may seize a property if the property tax is 5 years or more delinquent.

The (mortgage) property can then be put on the market, and sold for the (delinquent) taxes that are owed.  This is known as a tax lien foreclosure.

If the property has no liens, and property tax is 5 years delinquent, seized, and sold, it is simply called a Tax Sale.

"The power to tax is the power to destroy." - John Marshall
  

Governments will always devise ways to deprive an honest man of his money or property, and claim that it's legal.
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Re: No libertarians agree on what is libertarian
Reply #283 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 5:49pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 8:57am:
This is libertarian:

https://reason.com/2019/11/24/not-all-regulation-is-bad/?utm_medium=email

From the article:

"To regulate is to make regular and orderly, to hold to a standard, to control according to rule, as a thermostat regulates the temperature in a building.

Market forces do this constantly. Competing businesses offer what they hope will be a good value, then customers choose among the various offerings, then the competing businesses react to customers' and competitors' choices. That process is the market's regulator.

To take an example of market regulation so ubiquitous that many people don't even notice it, market forces regulate prices."

It's a good argument to use when people talk about "unregulated markets".
kaz, you're a free market guy with an expert's knowledge of economics and finance, business  and investing, language and logic, etc. etc....

Does he have it right in this article?

I mean about the correct definition of "regulate" as it applies in context?
  

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Re: No libertarians agree on what is libertarian
Reply #284 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 6:38pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 5:49pm:
kaz, you're a free market guy with an expert's knowledge of economics and finance, business  and investing, language and logic, etc. etc....

Does he have it right in this article?

I mean about the correct definition of "regulate" as it applies in context?


Yes, the government regulating the market refers to government pointing guns at people and forcing them to act in the government's interest.

Market regulation is a reference to the market working itself in an orderly way.   

Those are entirely different uses of the term "regulate."

Government regulation is all bad, it shouldn't happen.  Government is inept and self serving.  Government should only provide law enforcement for crimes and civil court to sue for damages and to enforce contracts.

Market regulating itself is good.  I don't really get his point other than the word game of using "regulation" in entirely different contexts
  

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Re: No libertarians agree on what is libertarian
Reply #285 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 6:46pm
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kaz wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 6:38pm:
Market regulation is a reference to the market working itself in an orderly way.   
Yes, and government can both make that possible, and encourage it, by setting standards and applying them equally. By not granting any monopoly privileges, and by not treating some differently than others. By enforcing laws against force and fraud equally. By making the law a regular standard, by supplying money of standard value, and standard weights and measures, by not using taxation as a tool to manipulate markets...

What do you think about "special" government bonds, created specially for postal worker's pensions?
  

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Re: No libertarians agree on what is libertarian
Reply #286 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 6:48pm
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kaz wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 6:38pm:
Yes, the government regulating the market refers to government pointing guns at people and forcing them to act in the government's interest.

This contradicts what you said later.

Yes, free markets regulate themselves, but without government regulation, free markets don't exist, and therefore can't regulate themselves.
  

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Re: No libertarians agree on what is libertarian
Reply #287 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 8:18pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 6:46pm:
Yes, and government can both make that possible, and encourage it, by setting standards and applying them equally. By not granting any monopoly privileges, and by not treating some differently than others. By enforcing laws against force and fraud equally. By making the law a regular standard, by supplying money of standard value, and standard weights and measures, by not using taxation as a tool to manipulate markets...

What do you think about "special" government bonds, created specially for postal worker's pensions?


Kaz says:  I think the government should shut down the USPS and stop funding them

Jeff says:  What do you think about "special" government bonds, created specially for postal worker's pensions?

Answer, the butt obvious.  My God you're stupid
  

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Re: No libertarians agree on what is libertarian
Reply #288 - Jan 24th, 2020 at 8:19pm
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Jeff wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 6:48pm:
This contradicts what you said later.

Yes, free markets regulate themselves, but without government regulation, free markets don't exist, and therefore can't regulate themselves.


So you believe in government schools, that government should conquer those who no longer consent and that direct taxes are perfectly reasonable.  That you support government pointing guns at American business and dictating how they operate is no surprise, is it?
  

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Re: No libertarians agree on what is libertarian
Reply #289 - yesterday at 10:40am
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kaz wrote on Jan 24th, 2020 at 8:18pm:
Kaz says:  I think the government should shut down the USPS and stop funding them

Jeff says:  What do you think about "special" government bonds, created specially for postal worker's pensions?
Well, shutting down the post office won't stop the flow of tax dollars into the redemption of the special bonds created for PO personnel.

I'll assume you think it was unconstitutional to create special bonds for government workers pension funds.

You do finally get it that there is no actual fund? That it's just IOU's that have to be redeemed by taxpayers, just like Social Security?
  

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