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Re: Both Left And Right Lobby To Stifle Free Speech
Reply #120 - Nov 20th, 2019 at 9:26am
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Jeff wrote on Nov 20th, 2019 at 9:09am:
This is the tyranny of a minority over the majority. Something our Constitution was designed to prevent:

https://reason.com/2019/11/19/harvard-crimson-editors-journalism-ice-activists/?...

The lead in:

"Progressive activists want the newspaper to stop practicing balanced journalism."


What does a school newspaper at a private university have to do with the Constitution?
  

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Reply #121 - Nov 20th, 2019 at 10:41am
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kaz wrote on Nov 20th, 2019 at 9:26am:
What does a school newspaper at a private university have to do with the Constitution?
What about this?

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2017/03/22/universities-getting-the-most-mo...

14. Harvard University
> Total federal funds: $550.5 million
> Annual R&D expenditure: $1.0 billion

> 2015 enrollment: 29,652
> 2016 endowment: $34.5 billion

Harvard is most accurately described as a crony university, not as private.
  

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Reply #122 - Nov 20th, 2019 at 9:43pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 20th, 2019 at 10:41am:
Harvard is most accurately described as a crony university, not as private.


So... what about all those other companies that get favours from the government?

You change your tune about this every half-second. One moment you say cronies' stuff is still their stuff, and they have every right to lobby for favours because that's how they get a level playing field, and now you want Harvard... what... to be forced to treat the First Amendment like a government institution does?

What about Facebook? You know they ban you if you say almost anything conservative.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #123 - Nov 20th, 2019 at 9:57pm
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Governments will always devise ways to deprive an honest man of his money or property, and claim that it's legal.
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Reply #124 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 8:13am
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Jeff wrote on Nov 20th, 2019 at 10:41am:
What about this?

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2017/03/22/universities-getting-the-most-mo...

14. Harvard University
> Total federal funds: $550.5 million
> Annual R&D expenditure: $1.0 billion

> 2015 enrollment: 29,652
> 2016 endowment: $34.5 billion

Harvard is most accurately described as a crony university, not as private.


So a your view is a university being "crony" actually means that government has special extra Constitutional powers over it.  Your solution is to give liquor to a drunk.  Just like your real life, huh?
  

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Re: Both Left And Right Lobby To Stifle Free Speech
Reply #125 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 9:37am
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The Opposition wrote on Nov 20th, 2019 at 9:43pm:
So... what about all those other companies that get favours from the government?

I always call them cronies.
  

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Re: Both Left And Right Lobby To Stifle Free Speech
Reply #126 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 9:42am
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The Opposition wrote on Nov 20th, 2019 at 9:43pm:
You change your tune about this every half-second. One moment you say cronies' stuff is still their stuff, and they have every right to lobby for favours because that's how they get a level playing field, and now you want Harvard... what... to be forced to treat the First Amendment like a government institution does?

You distort my position. It makes me feel some mild distaste for you...

But yes, unless Harvard refuses government subsidies, it should act as a government when it comes to respecting everyone's rights equally.

Only in our current Wonderland of distorted values would anyone think a university should suppress free speech, regardless of whether they take money from the government or not. Are we returning to a pre-Enlightenment Dark Age?
  

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Reply #127 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 9:45am
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kaz wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 8:13am:
So a your view is a university being "crony" actually means that government has special extra Constitutional powers over it.
No. It means that the crony institution must be governed by the same limitations that apply to all governments. If you are government funded, you are an agent of the government, not an independent actor.
  

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Re: Both Left And Right Lobby To Stifle Free Speech
Reply #128 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 9:48am
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Here's the most dangers current threat to free speech:

https://reason.com/2019/11/20/democrats-overwhelmingly-vote-to-give-trumps-peopl...

Obviously there is the usual deal making and political posturing going on, but here's how the vote went in the People's House:

"Only 10 House Democrats voted against it and three—including 2020 presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard (Hawaii)—didn't vote, leaving a whopping 219 Democratic representatives who voted in its favor. Meanwhile, just 12 Republicans voted for the measure."

You'd think that the American people are almost completely on board with being constantly spied on...
  

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Re: Both Left And Right Lobby To Stifle Free Speech
Reply #129 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 11:11am
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