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Reply #60 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 1:53pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 12:07pm:
I see why I never bothered to read this guy.  It was a big mistake to give congress the power to regulate interstate commerce and believe that they would not regulate manufacturing.
The people who created the Constitution were not "progressives". They understood that commerce and manufacturing were different things.

Certainly they never dreamed that "progressives" would be in a position to define "interstate commerce" as growing food for your own use...

The founders also understood that farming and commerce were different things...
  

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Reply #61 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 1:55pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 12:07pm:
Story lived in a dream world in which people elect congressmen who will abide by the constitution instead of electing congressmen who will advance their interests.
No, Story lived in a real America where the Constitution was, for the most part, taken seriously and observed. Smiley
  

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Reply #62 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 8:13pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 1:55pm:
No, Story lived in a real America where the Constitution was, for the most part, taken seriously and observed. Smiley


By the white male landowners that it solely benefited, sure.


  
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Reply #63 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 8:45am
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Little Biq Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 8:13pm:
By the white male landowners that it solely benefited, sure.


Go hijack someone else's thread. Thanks.
  

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Reply #64 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 9:38am
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Little Biq Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 8:13pm:
By the white male landowners that it solely benefited, sure.




Bull.  All whites benefited.  You're confusing voting with economic benefit.  The white landowners voted for a better system than adding other voters would have created, so they all benefitted.

Blacks, not so much.  Though most of them were still better off than they were in Africa.  Today they are way, way, better off
  

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Reply #65 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:13am
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kaz wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 9:38am:
Bull.  All whites benefited.  You're confusing voting with economic benefit.  The white landowners voted for a better system than adding other voters would have created, so they all benefitted.

Blacks, not so much.  Though most of them were still better off than they were in Africa.  Today they are way, way, better off
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Reply #66 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:46am
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kaz wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 9:38am:
Bull.  All whites benefited.  You're confusing voting with economic benefit.  The white landowners voted for a better system than adding other voters would have created, so they all benefitted.


Oh.

So, the whites who were not allowed to vote were actually very lucky that their betters designed a far superior government system than the un-landed whites would have voted for.

If the white-male-landowner only government was so much better than an all white government because it was just better, would it not have been better also for people of color by the same logic?  What would black slaves know about the ideas of freedom  and equality espoused by their masters?

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Blacks, not so much.  Though most of them were still better off than they were in Africa.  Today they are way, way, better off


Well, there you go.  Blacks owe the slavemasters of yesteryear a big vote of thanks!  You know, now that blacks are so successful in the U.S., earning on average almost two thirds of what an average white person earns.  Makes the three fifths compromise seem like a pretty sweet deal for them.

You know, since all the blacks in the U.S. today would be poor Africans if not for seafaring slave traders risking lives and fortunes to bring their ancestors to the United States, should we consider some kind of mandatory reparations for blacks to make to whites?
  

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Reply #67 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:49am
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Jeff wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:13am:
Go hijack someone else's thread. Thanks.


This thread is hijacked Jeff.  There is no getting it back.



Little q offered to tell you how to avoid this, and you shunned his proffered help.
  

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Reply #68 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:59am
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:46am:
Oh.

So, the whites who were not allowed to vote were actually very lucky that their betters designed a far superior government system than the un-landed whites would have voted for


Correct.  People who have a stake in funding government vote for a better government.  Politicians can't promise them free shit because they realize they are the ones who would pay for it and it's not free.  The whites who don't own land think it's free.  But it's not.  They do pay for it, just indirectly.  So they benefit from that white land owners are voting.

Women are the same.  The ones who are land owners would vote more like the male land owners and the non-land owners would vote more poorly.  But it would be redundant, it wouldn't change the outcome.  So whether or not they should have voted doesn't change that better economic decisions would be made

Little Big Man wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:46am:
If the white-male-landowner only government was so much better than an all white government because it was just better, would it not have been better also for people of color by the same logic?  What would black slaves know about the ideas of freedom  and equality espoused by their masters?
  I said that, they are better off than they would have been in their old country.  However, as victims of racism, it would be mitigated to a degree they weren't white


Little Big Man wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:46am:
Well, there you go.  Blacks owe the slavemasters of yesteryear a big vote of thanks!  You know, now that blacks are so successful in the U.S., earning on average almost two thirds of what an average white person earns.  Makes the three fifths compromise seem like a pretty sweet deal for them.


Irrelevant since I said they are better off than they would be in Africa, I didn't compare them to whites here

Little Big Man wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:46am:
You know, since all the blacks in the U.S. today would be poor Africans if not for seafaring slave traders risking lives and fortunes to bring their ancestors to the United States, should we consider some kind of mandatory reparations for blacks to make to whites?


In the end, you are a troll and it always comes back to that




  

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Reply #69 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 3:51pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:49am:
This thread is hijacked Jeff.  There is no getting it back.
Not to worry, I'll get back to it in time.

In the meantime, keep it on page one would you? Thanks.  Kiss
  

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