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Reply #10 - Nov 4th, 2019 at 10:29am
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ahhell wrote on Nov 4th, 2019 at 10:01am:
Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
Unless you'd like to stay and help improve the government of our country...

Which of course leads to discussion of what is actually a better form of government...
  

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Reply #11 - Nov 4th, 2019 at 10:31am
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SkyChief wrote on Nov 4th, 2019 at 10:00am:
Believe it or not,  the US government  confiscated citizens' gold in 1933. 

They could do it again.  They could raid safe deposit boxes for your gold. 

This is another reason to NOT cache metals in safety deposit boxes.

“We have gold because we cannot trust Governments.” - Herbert Hoover


They would have to repeal the law that was passed under Ford first, so you'd have some heads up it's coming
  

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Reply #12 - Nov 4th, 2019 at 10:38am
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kaz wrote on Nov 4th, 2019 at 10:31am:
They would have to repeal the law that was passed under Ford first, so you'd have some heads up it's coming
Didn't FDR do it by Executive Order?

How do you get a heads up on that?
  

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Reply #13 - Nov 4th, 2019 at 10:42am
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Jeff wrote on Nov 4th, 2019 at 10:38am:
Didn't FDR do it by Executive Order?

How do you get a heads up on that?


He got away with it by executive order because there was no law preventing him from doing that.  He came up with an absurd excuse that anyone could see through to justify it.  I'll let you research what that excuse was.  Executive orders cannot override the legislature.  You may want to do some studying of our our government works
  

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Reply #14 - Nov 4th, 2019 at 10:55am
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kaz wrote on Nov 4th, 2019 at 10:42am:
He got away with it by executive order because there was no law preventing him from doing that. 
But there is:

The Constitution

Section 1: Congress

All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

  

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Reply #15 - Nov 4th, 2019 at 11:08am
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Jeff wrote on Nov 4th, 2019 at 10:55am:
But there is:

The Constitution

Section 1: Congress

All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.



You cut the rest of my quote that addressed that.

And I said it was an absurd excuse, ass hat
  

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Reply #16 - Nov 4th, 2019 at 1:59pm
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kaz wrote on Nov 4th, 2019 at 11:08am:
You cut the rest of my quote that addressed that.

And I said it was an absurd excuse, ass hat
What was FDRs "excuse" for violating the Constitution?

I bet you don't know.
  

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Reply #17 - Nov 4th, 2019 at 2:10pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 4th, 2019 at 1:59pm:
What was FDRs "excuse" for violating the Constitution?

I bet you don't know.


Jeff:  I have nothing, kaz.  I'm just going to repeat back to you what you said to me.

I'm not like you Jeff.  I know how to use Google.  I am also like you that I'm willing to do it.  I Google things all the time in discussion because again unlike you, I have intellectual curiosity.  I Googled it as soon as Chief mentioned that FDR did it.  That's how I know that Ford signed a law that specifically made gold ownership by citizens and corporations legal.
You obviously still haven't Googled it, you've added nothing to the discussion
  

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Reply #18 - Nov 4th, 2019 at 2:17pm
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kaz wrote on Nov 4th, 2019 at 2:10pm:
That's how I know that Ford signed a law that specifically made gold ownership by citizens and corporations legal.
I thought you were talking about the excuse FDR used to confiscate people's gold...

Was this it?

"Roosevelt argued that this was necessary to ensure the security of massive bank loans and to stop the hoarding of gold."

https://www.lombardiletter.com/executive-order-6102-affected-gold-silver/18532/

BTW, I didn't use Google... And FDR didn't offer any excuse for his usurpation of legislative power.
  

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Reply #19 - Nov 4th, 2019 at 5:42pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 4th, 2019 at 2:17pm:
I thought you were talking about the excuse FDR used to confiscate people's gold...

Was this it?

"Roosevelt argued that this was necessary to ensure the security of massive bank loans and to stop the hoarding of gold."

https://www.lombardiletter.com/executive-order-6102-affected-gold-silver/18532/

BTW, I didn't use Google... And FDR didn't offer any excuse for his usurpation of legislative power.


Wouldn’t you say that his excuse was that it “was necessary?”

That is your excuse for government’s usurpation of property rights, isn’t it?  That taxing “is necessary?”

That is pretty much how all evil is excused.  I guess I should not be surprised that you are concerned enough to mention that FDR usurped the legislative power, but not concerned enough to mention that FDR usurped the right to property.

  

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