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Nov 5th, 2019 at 5:09pm
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A quick reminder-

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/privileges_and_immunities_clause

It's the actual text that's important:

"the citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states."

What brought it to my mind was my Cousin's bitching that I'm privileged to grow, and possess, and use, marijuana, while she might be arrested while buying from a black market dealer.

Does not Article IV, Section 2 of the Constitution guarantee that any privileges I have in my state, must be guaranteed to my Cousin, in her state?

Should not the federal government support this protection of our rights and expander of our liberty?

Why have a national government to protect your rights if it doesn't?
  

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Re: Priviliges and Immunities
Reply #1 - Nov 5th, 2019 at 5:40pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 5:09pm:
A quick reminder-

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/privileges_and_immunities_clause

It's the actual text that's important:

"the citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states."

What brought it to my mind was my Cousin's bitching that I'm privileged to grow, and possess, and use, marijuana, while she might be arrested while buying from a black market dealer.

Does not Article IV, Section 2 of the Constitution guarantee that any privileges I have in my state, must be guaranteed to my Cousin, in her state?

Should not the federal government support this protection of our rights and expander of our liberty?

Why have a national government to protect your rights if it doesn't?


An interesting take.

Would that mean that all criminal laws would have to be the same in all states?  Like since poker is legal in Nevada, Texas cannot ban it?

I’d be right behind that one, because it would mean that the most liberal (in the classical sense) state’s laws would then be in effect all over the country.  You could sell horse meat for human consumption in New York because you can in. New Jersey.  You could marry your first cousin in New Hampshire because you can here in the great state of Texas!

I like it, Jeff.  I hope your cousin is right.  And cute, for your sake . . .

  

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Reply #2 - Nov 5th, 2019 at 5:48pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 5:09pm:
A quick reminder-

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/privileges_and_immunities_clause

It's the actual text that's important:

"the citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states."

What brought it to my mind was my Cousin's bitching that I'm privileged to grow, and possess, and use, marijuana, while she might be arrested while buying from a black market dealer.

Does not Article IV, Section 2 of the Constitution guarantee that any privileges I have in my state, must be guaranteed to my Cousin, in her state?


Yes, but only when they are in that State.  Your cousin has NC rights ... in NC.  You have the rights of your cousin's State, when you are in that State.  Seriously, Jeff, so now you're not for State rights either?  Is there anything you consistently support?
  

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Reply #3 - Nov 5th, 2019 at 6:23pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 5:40pm:
An interesting take.

Would that mean that all criminal laws would have to be the same in all states?  Like since poker is legal in Nevada, Texas cannot ban it?
It sounds that way to me, and it sounds like you agree.

As I said, I think perhaps the secret purpose of the privileges and immunities clause was to increase liberty across America.

What else could it mean?

Why isn't it enforced?


  

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Reply #4 - Nov 5th, 2019 at 6:24pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 5:40pm:
I like it, Jeff.  I hope your cousin is right.  And cute, for your sake . . .

Yes and yes.
  

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Reply #5 - Nov 5th, 2019 at 6:24pm
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kaz wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 5:48pm:
Yes, but only when they are in that State.
Whose ass was that idea pulled from?
  

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Reply #6 - Nov 5th, 2019 at 6:37pm
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kaz wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 5:48pm:
Your cousin has NC rights ... in NC.
We are both citizens of the United States, and have all the rights of any free person. The federal government is tasked with protecting those rights against their denial or infringement by any state.

The idea of there being anything like "NC rights" is absurd and dangerous.
  

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Reply #7 - Nov 5th, 2019 at 6:54pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 5:40pm:
You could marry your first cousin in New Hampshire because you can here in the great state of Texas!
Well, once you get the state involved in telling you who you can and can't marry as a free adult citizen, all sorts of strange prohibitions pop up and force people to hide what they are doing, usually to the detriment of everyone involved.

Just for information sake, too much marrying of first cousins in a small population will give you European Royalty, or even worse...
  

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Reply #8 - Nov 5th, 2019 at 7:27pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 6:24pm:
Whose ass was that idea pulled from?


Madison, Monroe, Hamilton, Adams, Franklin, Washington, Jefferson, ...  Any of those names familiar to you?
  

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Reply #9 - Nov 5th, 2019 at 7:28pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 5th, 2019 at 6:37pm:
We are both citizens of the United States, and have all the rights of any free person. The federal government is tasked with protecting those rights against their denial or infringement by any state.

The idea of there being anything like "NC rights" is absurd and dangerous.


NC having laws for NC is "absurd and dangerous."  Quoting you back to you should scare the shit out of anyone.

You don't believe States have any rights over their own territory, you've made that completely clear.

My question is to Opposition.  Why am I mocking you for saying that what Jeff tells you is what "libertarians" think? 
  

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