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Reply #40 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 1:39pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 11:50am:
It will take lots of government force to force the government to leave me alone so I have the same privileges and immunities as people in Nevada?

Oh hell yes, I fine with that.  I would gladly contribute money and time to a government that does that.


Who made prostitution illegal in Vegas?

If the people of a county, or city, of town, want to make the sale of alcoholic beverages illegal, should the federal government apply the privileges and immunities clause to force them to allow the sale of alcohol?

I'd say no, the power granted by that clause can only be applied to states... Your state can't deny you the privileges possessed by citizens of other states, but your local government can.
  

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Reply #41 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 1:44pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 1:39pm:
Who made prostitution illegal in Vegas?

If the people of a county, or city, of town, want to make the sale of alcoholic beverages illegal, should the federal government apply the privileges and immunities clause to force them to allow the sale of alcohol?

I'd say no, the power granted by that clause can only be applied to states... Your state can't deny you the privileges possessed by citizens of other states, but your local government can.


How did my local government acquire that right?

Are you seriously arguing that while one of my neighbors would not have the right to imprison me for selling alcohol, all of them combined would somehow gain that right?

Could they also imprison me for selling a newspaper or growing corn in my back yard?


  

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Reply #42 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:08pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 1:44pm:
How did my local government acquire that right?


They have a charter that was approved by the people in the community at some time or other.

You have a right to try to change the charter.

Your best bet is to move into an unincorporated community somewhere.
  

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Reply #43 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:17pm
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Little Big Man wrote Today at 1:44pm:
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How did my local government acquire that right?


Jeff wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:08pm:
They have a charter that was approved by the people in the community at some time or other.



So a majority vote can give a local government a right that none of the voters have as individuals?

How is that not collectivism?


  

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Reply #45 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:27pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:17pm:
Little Big Man wrote Today at 1:44pm:


So a majority vote can give a local government a right that none of the voters have as individuals?

How is that not collectivism?


Well, it's actually called government. You do have to be careful not to give the government too much power...
  

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Reply #46 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:38pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:27pm:
Well, it's actually called government. You do have to be careful not to give the government too much power...


But putting me in prison for selling alcohol is not too much power?

I’d rather give the federal government the power to protect my rights so my neighbors cannot give their local government the power to take them away.

  

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Reply #47 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 3:45pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:38pm:
But putting me in prison for selling alcohol is not too much power?

I’d rather give the federal government the power to protect my rights so my neighbors cannot give their local government the power to take them away.



Exactly, which is why a socialist can never really pretend to be a libertarian.  You think the Federal government in the end will protect your rights when in fact it's the biggest threat to them.  It's the most massive power, the most removed and the last accountable.

Sure, in distributed government, some places will be more oppressive.  But government is so much more accountable to the people and overall is so much less oppressive.  And you have so many more choices were to live.

Your trust in big central government is just an a priori belief you can't pretend to not have
  

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Reply #48 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 4:54pm
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kaz wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 3:45pm:
Exactly, which is why a socialist can never really pretend to be a libertarian.  You think the Federal government in the end will protect your rights when in fact it's the biggest threat to them.  It's the most massive power, the most removed and the last accountable.

Sure, in distributed government, some places will be more oppressive.  But government is so much more accountable to the people and overall is so much less oppressive.  And you have so many more choices were to live.

Your trust in big central government is just an a priori belief you can't pretend to not have


You are late to the conversation, Kaz.  Jeff hypothesized a federal government that protects rights.  He prefers a hypothetical local government that denies them.  Of those two hypotheticals, I prefer the former.

Obviously, the federal government under our failed constitution has grown in size and scope and therefore does nothing to little to protect our rights.
  

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Reply #49 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 5:06pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 2:38pm:
But putting me in prison for selling alcohol is not too much power?


Of course it is...Did you just figure that out? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
  

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