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Reply #50 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 5:07pm
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kaz wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 3:45pm:
Exactly, which is why a socialist can never really pretend to be a libertarian.
I wish that law worked better...
  

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Reply #51 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 5:12pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 5:06pm:
Of course it is...Did you just figure that out? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


How would you prevent local governments from putting me in prison for selling alcohol?


  

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Reply #52 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 5:18pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 5:12pm:
How would you prevent local governments from putting me in prison for selling alcohol?


Have SCOTUS say that it is a privilege you are entitled to? You know, as an adult free person?

The local governments have good arguments. They are not the best libertarian arguments, and often, the community doesn't care. Shocked
  

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Reply #53 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 5:37pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 5:18pm:
Have SCOTUS say that it is a privilege you are entitled to? You know, as an adult free person?


What if they say, “not in this town!” And keep doing it?

Should the federal government do the same thing it did  when school districts said, “not in this town!” After the Brown vs. Topeka decision?


  

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Reply #54 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 5:44pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 5:37pm:
What if they say, “not in this town!” And keep doing it?


SCOTUS? They aren't allowed to pick specific towns and favor them over others.

Edit: What would you think should be done if SCOTUS says that slavery will be allowed in Cleveland, but nowhere else?
  

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Reply #55 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 5:45pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 5:37pm:
Should the federal government do the same thing it did  when school districts said, “not in this town!” After the Brown vs. Topeka decision?


Isn't that the "progressive" Ideal?
  

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Reply #56 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 5:48pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 5:44pm:
SCOTUS? They aren't allowed to pick specific towns and favor them over others.


So if my town arrests me for selling alcohol after SCOTUS says that I have a right to sell alcohol, the president should send paratroopers to escort me out of prison like they sent paratroopers to escort the Little Rock kids to public school?

Cool!

That is really what you support or are you acting silly?
  

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Reply #57 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 6:33pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 5:48pm:
So if my town arrests me for selling alcohol after SCOTUS says that I have a right to sell alcohol, the president should send paratroopers...
... to rescue you. Yes. Elite troops. The best-of-the-best.

Then they'll probably have to kill all the local cops, and the mayor.

Banana Republic stuff.

Is that the "progressive" Ideal these days?
  

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Reply #58 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 8:17pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 4:54pm:
You are late to the conversation, Kaz.  Jeff hypothesized a federal government that protects rights.  He prefers a hypothetical local government that denies them.  Of those two hypotheticals, I prefer the former


The former is not a possibility, not on the long run

Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 4:54pm:
Obviously, the federal government under our failed constitution has grown in size and scope and therefore does nothing to little to protect our rights.


Our government did work for a long time.  That it didn't work forever does not make how long it did last a point to ignore.

Alexander Fraser Tytler:  “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”

We lasted about 200 years.  The seeds of our destruction started with Lincoln removing consent of the governed, but it took another almost century before FDR ended it.  We ran our life cycle
  

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Reply #59 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 9:23pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 6th, 2019 at 2:25pm:
I would go along with letting people pick whether to live in a nanny tax hellhole or a land of freedom, especially if there actually were a land of freedom.  But unfortunately, we just have different tax hellholes.  Legal weed in Colorado, legal poker and horse racing in Texas, legal prostitution in Nevada (but not Las Vegas), bring your horse to work day in San Fran.  All provided, protected, or promulgated by taxes.

Give me one single county in Texas with libertarian laws and I’ll move to it.  I’ll buy up land and put up high rise apartment buildings because that place will get popular quick.


Personally I would love an "at least one" clause for everything that does not violate rights, but which nonetheless someone wants to be legal. Can't ban it if you're the last place people who want it have to go.

Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 5:48pm:
So if my town arrests me for selling alcohol after SCOTUS says that I have a right to sell alcohol,


Then you ought to have moved.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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