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Reply #20 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 9:19am
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Are there really people around who need emotional support 24/7, and who are inconsiderate enough of others to pick a horse? Can horses actually provide emotional support? Don't people derive emotional support from animals that care about them? Do horses really care about people?

From a libertarian standpoint, maybe this is another good argument for not having trains owned and operated by the government.
  

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Reply #21 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 10:49am
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Jeff wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 9:19am:
Are there really people around who need emotional support 24/7, and who are inconsiderate enough of others to pick a horse? Can horses actually provide emotional support? Don't people derive emotional support from animals that care about them? Do horses really care about people?

From a libertarian standpoint, maybe this is another good argument for not having trains owned and operated by the government.


Exactly my point.  If government funds a service, it must be available to everyone or at least every taxpayer.

But . . . By the standard that even using a road to get from your private home to your private business whose customers use the roads to patronize your business means that you are supported by taxes, and you are a free loader if you do not want to pay taxes, then no business can discriminate based on disability.

That is Kaz’ position, is it yours also?

  

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Reply #22 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 10:57am
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Kaz just said businesses should be able to discriminate based on disability, but I admit I expect to be screamed at and told I misread the post.

kaz wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 9:11am:
I have however been consistently against any government rules over private businesses.  I've argument private businesses can decide who uses their bathrooms and which bathrooms they use, private businesses can discriminate freely against anyone they want to either as employees or customers.  I've consistently been against all regulation.  So in that sense, anyone with half a brain would know I'm against government requiring businesses to let in guide dogs.  But then again you ENTIRELY whiffed on what that post said ...
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #23 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 11:03am
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The Opposition wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 10:57am:
Kaz just said businesses should be able to discriminate based on disability, but I admit I expect to be screamed at and told I misread the post.



I worded my post badly.  I meant that Kaz takes the position that even if you own your own business on your own land, you are still government-funded because you and your customers use government roads, so you are a freeloader if you do not want to be taxed.

But, I think Kaz believes that private businesses and government also should be allowed to discriminate based on disability, gender, etc.  Kaz just think discrimination is cool!
  

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Reply #24 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 11:05am
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 10:49am:
Exactly my point.  If government funds a service, it must be available to everyone or at least every taxpayer.

But . . . By the standard that even using a road to get from your private home to your private business whose customers use the roads to patronize your business means that you are supported by taxes, and you are a free loader if you do not want to pay taxes, then no business can discriminate based on disability.

That is Kaz’ position, is it yours also?



OMG, we are now a village with TWO idiots!  Whatever shall we do?



  

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Reply #25 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 11:06am
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The Opposition wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 10:57am:
Kaz just said businesses should be able to discriminate based on disability, but I admit I expect to be screamed at and told I misread the post.



You're right, you are a fictional character.  But it isn't Spock, it's Gollum

  

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Reply #26 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 11:09am
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 11:03am:
I worded my post badly.  I meant that Kaz takes the position that even if you own your own business on your own land, you are still government-funded because you and your customers use government roads, so you are a freeloader if you do not want to be taxed


I'm not getting the insult.  You  managed snarky without an actual insult in it.  Yes, we should all pay taxes, including business owners.  In the end though, customers pay business taxes, not the business.  You know nothing about business

Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 11:03am:
But, I think Kaz believes that private businesses and government also should be allowed to discriminate based on disability, gender, etc.  Kaz just think discrimination is cool!


OK, so you support government regulating against discrimination.  They need to revoke your anarchist card.  Then again, that's just a troll role playing gig for you anyway
  

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Reply #27 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 11:27am
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Jeff wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 9:19am:
Are there really people around who need emotional support 24/7, and who are inconsiderate enough of others to pick a horse? Can horses actually provide emotional support? Don't people derive emotional support from animals that care about them? Do horses really care about people?


I think the real question is who should answer that question.  For a libertarian the answer is clear:  the individual.

  

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Reply #28 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 11:29am
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kaz wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 11:09am:
I'm not getting the insult.  You  managed snarky without an actual insult in it.  Yes, we should all pay taxes, including business owners.  In the end though, customers pay business taxes, not the business.  You know nothing about business


OK, so you support government regulating against discrimination.  They need to revoke your anarchist card.  Then again, that's just a troll role playing gig for you anyway


No, I only support it given that government taxes us to provide services.  If a government service was self-sustaining, relying only on revenue from voluntary patronage of the service, I would say that service is free to discriminate.  Because the free market prevents that kind of discrimination much more effectively than regulations do.
  

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Reply #29 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 11:42am
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 11:29am:
No, I only support it given that government taxes us to provide services.  If a government service was self-sustaining, relying only on revenue from voluntary patronage of the service, I would say that service is free to discriminate.  Because the free market prevents that kind of discrimination much more effectively than regulations do.


So where did you drive on government roads today?


I also like how stupid you are that you keep flat out advocating anarchy and you don't know what anarchy means, so you don't know that.  Yes, government is a death pact.  Or you want it to be.

Government isn't a business, it provides the services that free markets can't solve.  Which is why you can't come up with a rational system to fund government through anarchy.

The one thing, the only thing you are honest about is you crave government requiring unanimity because you would be the one guy who would say no, just because you could.  You'll vote for more government as the socialist you are in real life.  But if you could be the one guy who opened the door to the Chinese and Russians?  You'd do it in a heart beat.  For no reason other than that you could do that
  

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