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The Ideal
Nov 7th, 2019 at 4:50pm
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Over my adult life, I've heard of many different "progressive" Ideals.

"America should be more like Europe" is the first one I can remember hearing.

It kept changing...

Sometimes, it would be an imperative, "America should be more like whichever Scandinavian county looks best right now." Venezuela was held up as a model. Briefly...

Japan even made to the level of a "progressive" Ideal, that America should emulate. Cheesy

I'm curious as to what it is now? The "progressive" ideal? China? Surely not! Shocked

What is it? I can't imagine...

It's something libertarians are likely to know, right?

I'm convinced "progressives" have lost sight of any Ideal.

  

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Re: The Ideal
Reply #1 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 4:58pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 4:50pm:
Over my adult life, I've heard of many different "progressive" Ideals.

"America should be more like Europe" is the first one I can remember hearing.

It kept changing...

Sometimes, it would be an imperative, "America should be more like whichever Scandinavian county looks best right now." Venezuela was held up as a model. Briefly...

Japan even made to the level of a "progressive" Ideal, that America should emulate. Cheesy

I'm curious as to what it is now? The "progressive" ideal? China? Surely not! Shocked

What is it? I can't imagine...

It's something libertarians are likely to know, right?

I'm convinced "progressives" have lost sight of any Ideal.



The ideal of the American left always was and likely will be in the foreseeable future, the Soviet Union.  They began lamenting its loss as soon as it collapsed and its media ran endless stories complaining about “the Russian Mafia” as if organized crime had not existed in the Soviet Union.

Their proclaimed love of Sweden and Cuba are only intended as intermediate steps to the U.S. being the new Union of Socialist American States (USAS).
  

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Actually, the exception to the above was.  FDR who open modeled his policies on Musolini’s fascist Italy.  But with the Soviet intelligence agencies controlling the labor movement, the movies and the college professors, Uncle Joe soon came to control FDR and even more so, his successor Harry Truman.  It was he who advised Truman to pick a fake middle initial and to fire General MacAuthor. 

  

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Reply #3 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 5:09pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 4:58pm:
The ideal of the American left always was and likely will be in the foreseeable future, the Soviet Union. 
You've been certified to be insane by highly credentialed psychologists, haven't you?

If not, my guess is that you never talked to one.
  

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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 5:02pm:
Actually, the exception to the above was.  FDR who open modeled his policies on Musolini’s fascist Italy.  But with the Soviet intelligence agencies controlling the labor movement, the movies and the college professors, Uncle Joe soon came to control FDR and even more so, his successor Harry Truman.  It was he who advised Truman to pick a fake middle initial and to fire General MacAuthor. 

Al Gore's Dad was involved in all that.
  

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Reply #5 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 6:54pm
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Is no one willing to hazard a guess?

Or maybe mention that no sane person would ever want to replicate the Soviet Union?

I guess it's one of those unknowns...

But if nobody knows, what should we be striving for?

America should be like Venezuela before the Communists ruined it?
  

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Reply #6 - Nov 9th, 2019 at 5:37pm
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Would anyone care to speculate on an either-or  proposition?

That's right up your alley isn't it jerkwad?

Here goes_

1)"Progressives" no longer recognize anything as an Ideal, they are all now greedy anarchic nihilists.

2)The only Ideal "progressives" now bow down to is their own self advancement and greed.

Is it #1, or #2?

Answer or get off my thread!
  

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Reply #7 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 6:40pm
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I guess my premise was correct.
  

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