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Re: Are Humans Doomed to Tribalism by our Evolved Genetics?
Reply #10 - Nov 12th, 2019 at 4:52pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 12th, 2019 at 3:09pm:
Tribes depend on each other to provide food, water and shelter.  Therefore, in a tribe, a member who insists on a right to own property is a threat to the survival of other members.  We evolved form the mandatory sharing economy to one based on trade, but the tribal mentality is still there.

From what is known, tribes were trading with tribes shortly after there were tribes.

In this mandatory sharing you envision as some sort of historical thing... Well, give me an example of a tribe that's known to history that had such a thing. Tell me how it worked. Thanks.


  

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kaz wrote on Nov 12th, 2019 at 3:54pm:
Not knowing what the hell you are talking about just doesn't slow you down, does it, Jeff?  In fact, it unencumbers you ...
Nothing to say again I see. Tsk tsk.
  

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Reply #12 - Nov 12th, 2019 at 4:56pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 12th, 2019 at 4:52pm:
From what is known, tribes were trading with tribes shortly after there were tribes.
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Yes, as tribes, not as individuals.  Individuals could not trade because one has to own something to trade it.

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In this mandatory sharing you envision as some sort of historical thing... Well, give me an example of a tribe that's known to history that had such a thing. Tell me how it worked. Thanks.


It “is known” the same way that it “is known” that tribes traded with other tribes almost as soon as tribes began. 

I’m not going to get into your chase the rabbit, “prove water is wet,” pseudo-debates, Jeff.  I - and I sincerely believe you - can do better than that.

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May I recommend that you argue - with supporting evidence - that taking taxes is not done because the tribe/community/state/republic is sure that it can use part of my property much more wisely and productively than I would use it.

Don’t forget the supporting evidence part!



  

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Reply #13 - Nov 12th, 2019 at 5:19pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 12th, 2019 at 4:56pm:
Yes, as tribes, not as individuals.  Individuals could not trade because one has to own something to trade it.
They cooperated as a means of survival in tribal times.

You said that such acts were "mandated", and I'm still eager to hear about it.
  

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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 12th, 2019 at 4:56pm:
It “is known” the same way that it “is known” that tribes traded with other tribes almost as soon as tribes began. 


It's a simple choice, you can take examples from a tribe known to history, or you can take examples from an imaginary tribe.

I know you prefer the imaginary, but it's not really useful in this discussion.
  

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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 12th, 2019 at 4:56pm:
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May I recommend that you argue...
Sure, you're free to recommend whatever you want to, as long as you don't make hateful recommendations.
  

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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 12th, 2019 at 4:56pm:
Don’t forget the supporting evidence part![/edit]


Don't forget that evidence gathered about/from imaginary tribes is imaginary evidence!
  

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Reply #17 - Nov 12th, 2019 at 5:26pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 12th, 2019 at 3:09pm:
Tribes depend on each other to provide food, water and shelter.  Therefore, in a tribe, a member who insists on a right to own property is a threat to the survival of other members.  We evolved form the mandatory sharing economy to one based on trade, but the tribal mentality is still there.


This is how they show it in every documentary about cave men that I watch I think what it really is is that Jeff does not believe in cave men.
  
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Re: Are Humans Doomed to Tribalism by our Evolved Genetics?
Reply #18 - Nov 12th, 2019 at 5:36pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 12th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
It's a simple choice, you can take examples from a tribe known to history, or you can take examples from an imaginary tribe.

I know you prefer the imaginary, but it's not really useful in this discussion.


Sure, Jeff.  Right after you give examples of tribes that started trading with other tribes “shortly after there were tribes.”  Remember, people were tribal hundreds of thousands of years ago, according to carbon dating of bones found in tribal sites.  So, no examples less than one hundred thousand year ago, please.
  

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Re: Are Humans Doomed to Tribalism by our Evolved Genetics?
Reply #19 - Nov 12th, 2019 at 5:38pm
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Industry wrote on Nov 12th, 2019 at 5:26pm:
This is how they show it in every documentary about cave men that I watch I think what it really is is that Jeff does not believe in cave men.


Oh, he’s a young earth creationist?

Debating them is like shooting fish in a barrel and I don’t like to debate them anyway, because such arguments are usually made by statists who want to interfere in the right to believe in young earth creationism.  I defend that right as strongly as I defend my own right to believe as I choose. 
  

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