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Reply #90 - Nov 18th, 2019 at 7:33am
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kaz wrote on Nov 17th, 2019 at 8:49pm:
You're referring to Kelo versus New London.  I have brought that up many times.  Just FYI, it wasn't Pfizer, it was a developer.  But yes, it was using imminent (sic) domain to take property from one citizen and give it to another, which is one of the reasons I withdrew my consent to be governed by the Federal government.  The fifth amendment was another right of the people the Feds plowed over.

But no, it wasn't the same as a police force that answers to no one but the rich.
Kelo was a horrible decision, it accepted as correct the redefinition of "public use" as "public purpose", which is what governments say everything they decide to do has. Every act of the legislature purportedly has a public purpose.

Justice Thomas's dissent is good reading:

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Reply #91 - Nov 18th, 2019 at 7:36am
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kaz wrote on Nov 17th, 2019 at 11:05pm:
You do like making your shit up as you go, but the only way they paid zero income taxes was if they owned their own business and were writing off a bunch of losses/investments.  You can't sustain that because eventually you make too much money to keep covering it in tax losses or you go broke if you're actually losing money.

That sort of thing happens to farmers quite often, they work and invest all year and make nothing that can be called profit. Lots of farmers are going bankrupt these days from what I've read.

The father of one of my friends made a career out of bankrupting companies, none of which ever made a profit with him at the helm. He was paid handsomely for his work and retired as a multimillionaire.
  

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Reply #92 - Nov 18th, 2019 at 7:54am
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Little Biq Man wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 5:45am:
The developer was a non-profit that had gone dormant, but was re-activated by the local government for the purpose of doing Pfizer's bidding.

Don't be so gullible, McFly!


It's "gullible" to think it was for a developer rather than Pfizer where I took the same position as you did?  Huh, you're trying to match Jeff with being a bickering, nagging old biddy now?


Little Biq Man wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 5:45am:
Nothing is the same as anything else, that is not an argument; it's meaningless.

I never advocated a system in which the police answer only to the rich.  We have that now.  The rich won't voluntarily pay enough to finance the entire police force when private security would be so much cheaper.  Local people would pay for a local police force.  They would even volunteer to donate time one day a week if they weren't working sixty hours a week to keep up with taxes.

What a disingenuous argument.  Of course they would have their own security to protect their own property, that's a different subject.  They would  buy the police to control them like the mob did, to take out competitors and block opposition.  While the rich have higher influence now, there is voting and they can only go so far.  There are also other government agencies to limit them, like the courts and legislature that you want to do away with completely.

The thing is that since you're a socialist, you know this.  I've already pointed out that since you aren't actually an anarchist, your arguments sound as fake as they are.  You're sitting there thinking what should you argue as an anarchist.  It sounds totally phony.  Even you can't be dumb enough to think that people like you will give enough the police to have any control over them while the rich give millions to have them as their on call military force when they want something from others
  

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Reply #93 - Nov 18th, 2019 at 7:56am
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Little Biq Man wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 5:47am:
Your confidence in the IRS truthfulness and its ability to make them  rich bastards pay is a sure sign of a liberal democrat.



So now the IRS can't collect statistics on the taxes they collect?  They would lie about that?  That's entirely different than lying about the things they do.
It' that's just stupid.  Once again, you're a socialist lying that you are an anarchist, and that's what you sound like.

But kaz, the IRS can't collect statistics on taxes collected!

What a dumb ass
  

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Reply #94 - Nov 18th, 2019 at 7:56am
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kaz wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 7:54am:
It's "gullible" to think it was for a developer rather than Pfizer where I took the same position as you did?  Huh, you're trying to match Jeff with being a bickering, nagging old biddy now?



I can't see that it makes a bit of difference if the property was taken for "a developer" or for Phizer.

You two should find something else to bicker about. Smiley
  

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Jeff wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 7:56am:
I can't see that it makes a bit of difference if the property was taken for "a developer" or for Phizer.

You two should find something else to bicker about. Smiley


That's what I said, ass hat
  

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Reply #96 - Nov 18th, 2019 at 8:00am
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kaz wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 7:56am:
So now the IRS can't collect statistics on the taxes they collect?  They would lie about that?
Why not? Every other Executive department or agency lies about things like that.

The IRS can't even (won't, on purpose?) offer accurate guidance on how to interpret their own regulations.
  

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Jeff wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 8:00am:
Why not? Every other Executive department or agency lies about things like that.

The IRS can't even (won't, on purpose?) offer accurate guidance on how to interpret their own regulations.


Fallacy of careless contrarianism.

As bad as the IRS policies and tactics are, that they would make up statistics on actual taxes paid isn't even paranoid and delusional, it's the bickering, nagging old women that you and your biddy pal LBM are.  No it's not, nuh uh, ...
  

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Reply #98 - Nov 18th, 2019 at 2:43pm
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(In chiding me with humor for my lack of response to his statement that he wants his murderer brought to justice even though it would cost a shitton to imprison him.)

The Opposition wrote on Nov 17th, 2019 at 8:51pm:
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Yeah, sorry I didn’t bet back to you.  I often read a post, begin to formulate a reply and get interrupted.  Then I can often not find it again.

I would also want your murderer to be brought to justice, but can there really be justice?  Certainly not by letting him live in a humane prison for life at the expense of people whose money is taken at gunpoint, including the family you left behind struggling to make ends meet without you.

A far cheaper form of justice would be the death penalty, to be paid for by the family of the victim and/or private donations.  A go fund me account like that would generate enough income so pay for the execution of people who murder guys with families that are poor.

It would be like a reverse version of those “sponsor this child” commercials.  Put up a mugshot, describe the crime and ask for donations to cover court costs and the rope.  Mention at the end that donations may be used to cover the execution of other scumbags and I doubt that would slow them down.

Also to answer your point about my plan for geo-agricultural liberarianism:  You had asked something about “what are you going to do about already owned land,” or something.  My plan is not intended to build on the existing social, political or real infrastructure.  It would have to start fresh on undeveloped land.

A wealthy person could do it by purchasing a hundred square miles of land from a nation, paying for the ownership and paying extra for the sovereignty.  Then he could rent parcels with the appropriate travel room between them.

But, I expect no one to fully comprehend it.  Not from message board posts.  I may write a book about it.  If I do, I’ll call it. “The Geo-libertarian Manifesto,” so you will know it was me.



  

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Reply #99 - Nov 18th, 2019 at 2:51pm
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Little Big Man wrote on Nov 18th, 2019 at 2:43pm:
Also to answer your point about my plan for geo-agricultural liberarianism:  You had asked something about “what are you going to do about already owned land,” or something.  My plan is not intended to build on the existing social, political or real infrastructure.  It would have to start fresh on undeveloped land.

A wealthy person could do it by purchasing a hundred square miles of land from a nation, paying for the ownership and paying extra for the sovereignty.
Good luck with getting any nation on earth to sell you sovereignty over land within their domain.
  

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