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Reply #20 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 7:47am
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SkyChief wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 7:15am:
Indirect taxes can be avoided.   If you don't want to pay the Federal Gasoline Tax, drive a Tesla.  Or ride a bike.

Direct taxes cannot be avoided.  If you own property (in most states), you must pay a tax.   If you have a job and get paid with dollars, you must pay a tax.


You can't realistically avoid tariffs, but it's theoretically possible.  You can't avoid sales taxes or gas taxes or many other indirect taxes and live.

Smog isn't an issue, right?  You're free to not breathe.  That isn't a serious argument.

Why don't you just say you're against income taxes?  That would be clear, accurate and end all the confusion, and you avoid it like the plague.  Most of us agree with it as well.  Well, for LBM, at least his socks agree with it.  Jeff will agree and disagree with it in different conversations.

BTW, the libertarian party does mean all taxes, not just income taxes.  They oppose a national sales tax to replace the income tax, which is one of the big reasons I don't take them seriously as a "liberty" party, just they are less bad than the others
  

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Re: All roads lead to Rome
Reply #21 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 8:01am
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kaz wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 7:47am:
You can't realistically avoid tariffs, but it's theoretically possible.  You can't avoid sales taxes or gas taxes or many other indirect taxes and live.

Smog isn't an issue, right?  You're free to not breathe.  That isn't a serious argument.

Why don't you just say you're against income taxes? 

If you don't want to pay the tariffs on imported Toyotas and Hondas, buy a Chevy or a Ford.   Simple.

I'm against all Direct taxes.
  

Governments will always devise ways to deprive an honest man of his money or property, and claim that it's legal.
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Reply #22 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 8:36am
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SkyChief wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 8:01am:
If you don't want to pay the tariffs on imported Toyotas and Hondas, buy a Chevy or a Ford.   Simple.


Well, no, it's not simple.  Actually, Toyotas are made in the United States and Chevy's and Fords are made in Mexico and Canada.  And you're talking about the finished product, there are endless components and sub components of all sort of products that will have tariffs

SkyChief wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 8:01am:
I'm against all Direct taxes. 


Agreed, and saying that works too!    Smiley
  

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Reply #23 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 1:19pm
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kaz wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 8:36am:
Well, no, it's not simple.  Actually, Toyotas are made in the United States and Chevy's and Fords are made in Mexico and Canada.  And you're talking about the finished product, there are endless components and sub components of all sort of products that will have tariffs


Agreed, and saying that works too!    Smiley
Tariffs on steel increase the price of everything that's made of steel in the U.S.

Since we're talking about economics, how about this:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/banking-crisis/understanding-the-r...

His conclusion:

"The crisis in liquidity is that American bankers will NOT lend to Europe. Because of the European Banking Crisis, banks just do not trust banks. Nobody knows who will be standing after a failure at Deutsche Bank. The Fed has had to step in to be the neutral lender NOT because of a crisis in the USA, but because of the collapse in confidence in Europe’s banking system as a whole. Stay alert – this is just getting started."
  

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Reply #24 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 10:01am
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lizard, this article should help you some in regard to the morality and efficiency of free markets:

https://johnhcochrane.blogspot.com/2019/11/free-market-health-care.html?spref=tw...

From the article:

"But... You have to ask, just why do we need another layer of price-transparency regulations? Why are hospitals choosing such devious schemes, while grocery stores don't? Or, a better analogy, tax lawyers, contractors, car repair, pet repair, lasik surgeons, or anyone else performing complex personal services does not do this sort of thing? Are hospital administrators uniquely devious? Of course not. They are good hard-working men and women trying to do the best they can in a screwed-up regulatory and legal system."
  

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Reply #25 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 10:05am
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Speaking of bureaucratic regulatory damage:

https://reason.com/2019/11/20/another-looming-threat-to-e-cigarettes/?utm_medium...

The lead in:

"Even if the FDA does not ban flavors, its regulations will soon drive most vaping businesses and products from the market."

From the article:

"Under a 2016 rule, manufacturers, which include vape shops that mix their own e-liquids, have to persuade the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) that allowing sales of their products is "appropriate for the protection of public health." Although it's still not clear exactly what that means, vaping businesses must submit a "premarket tobacco application" (PMTA) for each of their products by May 12—less than six months from now.

A PMTA is required for every product variation. The FDA puts the "average cost" at $132,000 for e-liquids and $467,000 for devices, although it says some applications could cost more than $2 million.

Either way, those costs are likely to deter all but the largest vaping companies."

Is that the plan? Have the largest vaping companies captured FDA bureaucrats and had these regulations written to give them monopoly crony power over the rapidly growing vaping market?
  

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