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Re: Property Rights: What Causes Legitimacy?
Reply #10 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 5:10pm
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The Opposition wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 4:29pm:
Yes, a right not to be offended, if it exists, would prevent you from potentially saying anything. It would not prevent you from saying all things in all situations. When you're alone, or the only person near you is a Vulcan, it wouldn't prevent you from saying a single thing.

I'm not saying there is such a right; I'm asking you how you decide that one right is legitimate and exists, and another is illegitimate and does not exist.
I can't be any more clear than to say that it's been pretty much understood for hundreds of years, many hundreds.

You should have learned all about what you are asking when you supposedly did all that reading...

And if by chance you actually did read what you claim to have read, and still don't know, then I surmise that you wasted all those hours in the library when you felt you were educating yourself.

Edit: I see red flags...
  

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Reply #11 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 6:25pm
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I had an epiphany lizard! Your problem is that you've let your lizard brain (reptile brain if you wish) be in charge of you from an early age.

It took over, and here you are, no more able to understand rights then any other reptile.

It's why you had that Dragon fantasy too, I bet. Smiley

Do you suppose it's a brain defect? Just your nature, and no amount of nurture could talk you out of it?
  

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Reply #12 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 6:30pm
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If you're interested in quizzing me on any of the libertarian literature I've read (but you haven't) go right ahead.

None of it except what Locke wrote attempts to derive the legitimacy of any right.

If you're interested in answering my question, do so.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Reply #13 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 6:35pm
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The Opposition wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 6:30pm:
None of it except what Locke wrote attempts to derive the legitimacy of any right.

All of those following Locke essentially agreed with him.

If Locke doesn't teach you anything about it, nobody else will have any better success.
  

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Reply #14 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 6:40pm
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Jeff wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 6:35pm:
All of those following Locke essentially agreed with him.

If Locke doesn't teach you anything about it, nobody else will have any better success.


You're welcome to quiz me on Locke. I still have questions that Locke did not answer.
  

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Reply #15 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 6:40pm
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The Opposition wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 6:30pm:
None of it except what Locke wrote attempts to derive the legitimacy of any right.
If you're interested in answering my question, do so.
Could you rephrase it for me, concisely? So I can be sure of what you ask?

Who decides what is a right and what is not?

Certainly the most dangerous possible thing would be to leave it up to the government...

I know, let's have the People decide. If they want to add a "right to not be offended" onto the Bill of Rights, let them go through the required process.

What a great idea!

More productive would be to simply emphasize that free people have a right to do anything they want to, as long as they respect the rights of others and take responsibility for any harm they cause.

  

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Reply #16 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 6:42pm
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The Opposition wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 6:40pm:
I still have questions that Locke did not answer.
Have you thought of asking God?
  

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Reply #17 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 6:44pm
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The Opposition wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 6:40pm:
You're welcome to quiz me on Locke.
That seems like it would be fruitless. Cheesy
  

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Re: Property Rights: What Causes Legitimacy?
Reply #18 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 6:55pm
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Negative rights are just as legitimate as positive rights and both must be protected the same way, through the threat of violent defense and retaliation.
  
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Reply #19 - Nov 19th, 2019 at 7:04pm
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yamcha wrote on Nov 19th, 2019 at 6:55pm:
Negative rights are just as legitimate as positive rights and both must be protected the same way, through the threat of violent defense and retaliation.


Bull shit.  Negative rights are legitimate, positive rights aren't legitimate at all in any way.

Opposition kept saying that he is being oppressed by libertarians.  I said positive rights aren't legitimate or libertarian.  He said no, he means libertarians are oppressing him with negative rights.

Sure, the stupid little bitch.  So libertarians are telling him he can't murder us ... and ... he can't rape our wives and daughters ... and ... he can't break and enter our houses and steal from us.

The poor dear, yeah, screw him
  

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