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Total Autonomy for Ivory Farms    
  2 (66.7%)
Some Protection for Elephants    
  1 (33.3%)




Total votes: 3
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Reply #10 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 7:03pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 6:49pm:
Shooting people so they can't reproduce? Democratic Socialists have a history of doing that... Shocked

Anyway, libertarians don't mind governments using guns to control violent individuals. Smiley

Are you imagining that the Chinese soldiers and security police subduing the people of Hong Kong are libertarians? Cheesy


Only under Kaz' definition.

You would never approve of that unless it was to collect taxes.

Right?

  
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 6:51pm:
I left Kaz a correct answer, he just didn't take it. He should have said that the ivory business should have total autonomy to abuse elephants.

Abusing animals is a sign of sociopathy, right? Civilized people make abusing animals illegal.
  

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Little Biq Man wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 7:03pm:
You would never approve of that unless it was to collect taxes.
I don't approve of tyranny.
  

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Jeff wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 7:06pm:
I don't approve of tyranny.


You approve of government using firearms to collect money.  Even from little old ladies.


  
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Jeff wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 7:04pm:
Abusing animals is a sign of sociopathy, right? Civilized people make abusing animals illegal.


Alright, then vote that elephants should have some protection.
  

This moral relativism of yours is exactly what lets government take this freedom, then that freedom, until we have lost them all.
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Ivory is an awesome material.  I have several ivory carved items and they are beautiful as hell.  We should have elephant meat on the menu too, it could feed a lot of people.
  
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Reply #16 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 7:15pm
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The Opposition wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 7:08pm:
Alright, then vote that elephants should have some protection.
Privately owned elephants are protected as property, because they are property. That's the best protection they can get.

Of course they need to live in a country that protects property rights for that to work...

Hopefully, the elephants will be lucky and live in a country that also makes abusing them illegal.
  

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Reply #17 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 7:19pm
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yamcha wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 7:12pm:
Ivory is an awesome material.  I have several ivory carved items and they are beautiful as hell.  We should have elephant meat on the menu too, it could feed a lot of people.


Well, for anyone who wants it. I have to say they don't look good to eat, but the meat would be so inexpensive that I'd at least try it once.

If you're going to eat a fully sapient animal, Human, gorilla or dolphin seems like it would be much better than elephant.

Jeff wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 7:15pm:
Privately owned elephants are protected as property, because they are property. That's the best protection they can get.

Of course they need to live in a country that protects property rights for that to work...

Hopefully, the elephants will be lucky and live in a country that also makes abusing them illegal.


Jeff: Civilised people make abusing elephants illegal, but the government protecting elephants from abuse by their owners is wrong. Hopefully the elephants will live where they are protected from abuse.

  

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Reply #18 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 7:21pm
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Someone I know has had elephant chops and he said it was good.
  
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Reply #19 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 7:22pm
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Jeff wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 7:15pm:
Privately owned elephants are protected as property, because they are property. That's the best protection they can get.

Of course they need to live in a country that protects property rights for that to work...

Hopefully, the elephants will be lucky and live in a country that also makes abusing them illegal.


Once we pass laws against elephant abuse, elephants are no longer private property, but some hybrid of privately-owned and government-owned.  If they are property, the owners can dispose of them as they choose. 

Do you think that government should enforce your proposed anti-elephant cruelty laws using elephant guns on the lawbreakers?  You know, just for the irony?

Would PETA be the best organization to write the laws?  How would they be written?


  
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